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November
14th, 2011 approx. 10am: Justin picked Trista up at Jessica's in
Lewiston and drove her and Ayla to an Orthopedic Doctor in Portland...
http://aylareynolds.com/anon/1st_visit
http://aylareynolds.com/anon/1st_visit
Anonymous 1October 24, 2013 at 7:27 PM
Jeff,
very respectfully, We were commenting on the fact that Trista took
Ayla to her primary care physician on Monday Nov. 14th, and that
physician said that this was an uncommon break for a 19 month old. as
reported by Ms Simpson.
An Orthopedic doctor is not a primary care physician.
Ayla seeing the Orthopedic doctor on Nov. 14th was not in question.
As well as the Orthopedic doctor's report makes no mention of this being an uncommon break for a 19th month old.
An Orthopedic doctor is not a primary care physician.
Ayla seeing the Orthopedic doctor on Nov. 14th was not in question.
As well as the Orthopedic doctor's report makes no mention of this being an uncommon break for a 19th month old.
A!; This is the Dr mentioned in the DHHS log (although they added a T to the end of his name- pronunciation probably).
Yes, there is no report of an uncommon break in the medical log, only in the DHHS log.
Yes, there is no report of an uncommon break in the medical log, only in the DHHS log.
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Jeff,
please read the article. Jessica tells the dhhs worker that Trista took
Ayla to her primary care physician who referred her to an orthopedic
specialist. Allegedly the Dr said this was an uncommon injury in a19
month old child.
Jeff, this statement was also in the "dhhs report" that you gave to Judy and allowed her to share with Nina.
Jeff, this statement was also in the "dhhs report" that you gave to Judy and allowed her to share with Nina.
Incorrect
on Jessica's part, Inland hospital referred Justin and Trista to the
bone specialist in Portland. However, Trista had also contacted her
primary care physician who also referred her to the same orthopedic
specialist.
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mckeekittyOctober 24, 2013 at 8:11 PM
Jeff, in the original timeline, these statements were made:
"DHHS had put Ayla in the joint care of Becca and Jessica while she was undergoing treatment."
"After Justin and Phoebe left with Ayla, the officer stated to Becky that: "if he had his way, he would not have let Ayla go with Justin." "
And yet there is no mention of Becca in Terrilyn's article.
"DHHS had put Ayla in the joint care of Becca and Jessica while she was undergoing treatment."
"After Justin and Phoebe left with Ayla, the officer stated to Becky that: "if he had his way, he would not have let Ayla go with Justin." "
And yet there is no mention of Becca in Terrilyn's article.
Correct, Becky arrived late on the scene (coming back from the store) just as Phoebe and Justin were leaving with Ayla.
She confronted the officer.
She confronted the officer.
There
is mention in the article that dhhs did not place the kids in Jessica
and Becca's custody though... more conflicting information.
Correct AFA, but then "custody" is a legal term of which DHHS was not liable of.
There are documented DHHS log references referring to Jessica and Becky's competence with Ayla's well being and safety.
Had it only been so..
There are documented DHHS log references referring to Jessica and Becky's competence with Ayla's well being and safety.
Had it only been so..
mckeekittyOctober 24, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Thanks for helping to iron out some of these wrinkles, Jeff.
Are you sure Becca wasn't present for the transfer?
"DiPietro said he was going to ... retrieve his daughter and wanted police to go," Cornelio said. "He explained that he and the mother had an agreement that if she went into treatment, he would take custody."
Cornelio said police called Maine Department of Health and Human Services and confirmed that the state agency had authorized DiPietro to take custody of the daughter.
Next, DiPietro and one police officer went to the Lewiston home of Jessica Reynolds, Ayla's maternal aunt. Becca Hanson, Ayla's maternal grandmother, was there, too.
"Ayla was in my and my daughter's care while Trista was in rehab," Hanson said during a recent phone interview.
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/police-log-offers-insight-into-custody-questions_2011-12-30.html
Are you sure Becca wasn't present for the transfer?
"DiPietro said he was going to ... retrieve his daughter and wanted police to go," Cornelio said. "He explained that he and the mother had an agreement that if she went into treatment, he would take custody."
Cornelio said police called Maine Department of Health and Human Services and confirmed that the state agency had authorized DiPietro to take custody of the daughter.
Next, DiPietro and one police officer went to the Lewiston home of Jessica Reynolds, Ayla's maternal aunt. Becca Hanson, Ayla's maternal grandmother, was there, too.
"Ayla was in my and my daughter's care while Trista was in rehab," Hanson said during a recent phone interview.
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/police-log-offers-insight-into-custody-questions_2011-12-30.html
mckeekitty, absolutely. I have Becky's testimony as well as the Lewiston Incident report.
AFA, I would not lose any sleep over it. You know more now than you did yesterday and that is the only reason I keep coming back here.
AFA, I would not lose any sleep over it. You know more now than you did yesterday and that is the only reason I keep coming back here.
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It should also be noted that in regards to Ayla's gait reference:
“Trista reported that Ayla went to her father’s house on Thursday of last week.... and then after her nap on Friday Trista noticed that Ayla would not bear weight on her right leg.”
There is a gap in between “last week…. and then”
In the DHHS log it reads:
“Trista reported that Ayla went to her father's house on Thursday of last week. Ayla returned to Trista on Thursday and then after her nap on Friday Trista noticed that Ayla would not bear weight on her right leg”.
Is also incorrect, Ayla was returned on Friday after an overnight stay with Justin.
“Trista reported that Ayla went to her father’s house on Thursday of last week.... and then after her nap on Friday Trista noticed that Ayla would not bear weight on her right leg.”
There is a gap in between “last week…. and then”
In the DHHS log it reads:
“Trista reported that Ayla went to her father's house on Thursday of last week. Ayla returned to Trista on Thursday and then after her nap on Friday Trista noticed that Ayla would not bear weight on her right leg”.
Is also incorrect, Ayla was returned on Friday after an overnight stay with Justin.
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Thanks for bringing this over, LATF.
ReplyDeleteI need to go take a walk or something. I'm still pissed that Ayla's news cycle was hijacked by this trash.
At least we got a few things straightened out A2. If we saw it then others did too. Keep plugging along. That's all we can do.
DeleteRespectfully, AFA, I think we have more of a mess than we started with.
DeleteWhat DHHS records are they working with? Do they have the complete case file? Are these just call logs?
When the state took Trista to court regarding Ray in September, they had to provide discovery. This released the case file to the defendant, being Trista. I doubt we will see what the original concern was that involved dhhs in their lives or the subsequent concerns found upon investigation but this does let us know that dhhs is still involved and still has concerns.
DeleteAFA what would that have to do with finding Ayla. All that would do is trash Trista a little more don't you think?
DeleteAnon-what does any of this DHHS crap have to do with finding Ayla?
DeleteA2, it has to do, potentially, with what happened to Ayla.
DeleteIF they did not follow proper procedure, they should have to answer to that.
Will it find Ayla? No. But it may save a child in the future. If only one child is saved, all this "DHHS crap" is worth being investigated.
(Different Anon)
Anon-of course it's worth being investigated...in a proper venue, not a blog.
DeleteI think they have the complete file A2
ReplyDeleteSorry i cant cut and paste like u guys do but this was posted by Jeff
ReplyDeleteVery chilling story Tori, especially since DHHS took Trista to court on trumped up allegations concerning little Raymond. The judge threw them out of court and as a result of their legal proceedings, it opened up the their records to us
Just to clarify, It was in September of this year that DHHS took Trista to court. The State had to provide discovery, as such, all prior information regarding Trista and Raymond (and subsequently Ayla) was introduced
Thanks Judy :-) I saw that at the time. So if they really do have everything, there shouldn't be any questions or supposition surrounding what happened. Everything regarding agreements, team meetings, safety plans, follow up...all of it should be in the files. That includes all of the documentation surrounding Little Ray, both before and after Ayla went missing.
DeleteIt is my understanding that they did obtain all of that information.
DeleteSo I am still confused - if there was some wrong doing on DHS's part. Why cant they just press charges based on the file information? Why do they need Ayla's body to do that.
If it was wrong for them to go take her then why not charge them with that? Will they win more money if they did it illegally and then Ayla died because of it?
They can't press charges because this is a civil case.
DeleteNotice the language:
“The Department of Health and Human Services removed the child from the claimant’s family and placed the child in DiPietro’s home,” reads the notice. “The Department of Health and Human Services did not take proper action to ensure the safety of the child resulting in the disappearance and [presumed] wrongful death of the child.”
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They are claiming that DHHS inaction resulted in Ayla's disappearance and (presumed) wrongful death.
Note also what they are seeking:
DeleteAccording to a document that was filed in June 2012, which was obtained Tuesday by the Bangor Daily News through a Freedom of Access Act request, Reynolds could seek damages for “severe emotional distress, deprivation of constitutional rights, injuries, and other compensatory, consequential and punitive damages, as determined by a jury.”
BTW, for anyone unaware, damages=monetary compensation. Money
DeleteOnly dhhs didn't place Ayla anywhere. They only confirmed that Justin was Ayla's father and could take her. There is nothing illegal about that.
DeleteIn fact, so far, from what I have seen Trista doesn't have a case against the state even if (please God, no) Ayla is found to be deceased.
DeleteWow - thank you fro explaining it to me A2
DeleteWell then that may never be resolved. I wonder how long they can keep that open? Forever?
AFA I dont feel like they did anything wrong either - was there something said eluding to the fact they did not go to Justin's house to see if it was safe? And safer than what ? A motel?
DeleteThey weren't required to go to Justin's house to see if it was safe. There was no open case on Justin, only Trista. Even with Jessica's complaint, which was checked and absolved, they didn't have to go to Justin's house. Dhhs checked with the er and the er obviously found no signs of abuse involving Ayla's broken arm. Therefore, no open case, no investigation and no need for a home visit.
DeleteGot it - thank you - its nice to have someone with some authority on the subject!
DeleteAuthority? I must have missed that. What is AFA's authority on the subject?
DeleteAren't you cute;)
DeletePer Lewiston PD, DHHS authorized Ayla's custody to Justin. Is LE lying too?
DeleteNope. Dhhs was within their rights to authorize that Justin could take physical custody of Ayla. They didn't award him custody. They only verified (authorized) that he could legally take her. There was no custody order in place. There was no reason he couldn't take her. It would have been unlawful to keep Ayla from him in Trista's absence.
DeleteLE clearly stated that Karen Small authorized custody of the child to her father. It did not say that she simply verified that he was her father. DHHS does not authorize custody, a judge does. LE does not authorize custody, a judge does. Did Jessica kidnap Ayla? If so, was she arrested for doing so? No, because Karen Small authorized custody. LE took her word for it. Jessica took LE's word for it. Verifying and authorizing something are two totally different things. Yes, Justin did have a right, but not the way it happened.
DeleteThank you AFA :)
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
I respectfully request that the anonymous posters invest in a good old fashioned Websters. You people are splitting hairs and applying a definition that does not apply. Get off it already! You're wrong! Say whatever you like, it won't change the fact that dhhs did not do anything wrong. They did their job.
DeleteI don't need a dictionary. Authorize custody, is not the same as, verify paternity. You can get upset all you want and think it's splitting hairs, but maybe hairs need to be split.
DeleteKaren Small overstepped her boundaries, and she enlisted LE to help her. She can not authorize custody. She could verify paternity if LE asked her, I suppose. Why didn't Justin just bring in Ayla's birth certificate and tell LE that Jessica was kidnapping his daughter? This was not a DHHS matter, Karen Small said as much, in her own notes. She supplied LE the address and asked them to help, and she authorized custody.
I don't understand how you don't think she overstepped her boundaries. Because Justin had a right to Ayla? Yes he did, no denying that. I'm denying that this was a dhhs matter, and that Karen Small can authorize custody. LE should not have assisted either without written authorization, and written proof of Justin's paternity, and they should not have gotten involved period, unless it was a criminal matter.
Huh, I've had a very long week, both physically and mentally, maybe I'm reading the comment from Anon 10:10 wrong.
DeleteHasn't Justin given his DNA to determine that he is Ayla's father? He has no record with anyone, including DHHS, but he should not be allowed to take care of his daughter when the mother can't (she needs to get a little help for herself!).
The word "custody" is being misused by some, as it was by Trista and Justin, but I don't think they were using it in the "legal" sense of the word. (Hope that makes sense!)
There is no reason why Jessica or Becca should have "custody" of Ayla, over the father.
signed:getrealpeople
No offence meant to anyone in this conversation but......
DeleteMaybe when referring to "custody" we should clarify the difference, to make it less frustrating for getting our point across...there are at least 2 different uses of the word..."custody" as in physical custody or "custody" as in legal, (this is mine), custody.....
And GRP it makes perfect sense to me and in my opinion, some people just don't realize the difference in a conversation like this and get a little fired up.
Oaklandrez
Anon, just because you think dhhs or LE "should" or "shouldn't have" done something doesn't make it the way it truly is supposed to be. No one broke any laws in the exchange of Ayla from Jessica to Justin. That is the reality. Had Justin gone to get Ayla without LE and Jessica had refused, there might have been legal trouble for Jessica.
DeleteAlso, verifying paternity would be a means to authorizing custody in this situation and visa versa :) By simply verifying Justin's paternity they would be authorizing him to take custody in this situation.
DeleteI don't just "think" they should or shouldn't have done certain things.
DeleteHow did Karen Small verify Justin's paternity? Karen Small never even spoke to Justin. How did she know who she was speaking to over the phone? You can look at it however you want. I'm looking at it by LE's spoken and written words, as well as Karen Small's. It was originally not a dhhs or LE matter. If Jessica refused, THEN Justin could have involved LE, which yes, would change the situation from civil to criminal.
How do you know she didn't refuse. An earlier account stated that Justin contacted her to get Ayla and she refused him. If that's true then he did exactly what he should have.
DeleteOk, then it was a criminal matter. What charges were brought against Jessica? Kidnapping? Holding a child hostage? Holding someone against their will?
DeleteIt was still not a dhhs matter. If LE got involved, then what were the criminal charges?
posted at j4a:
ReplyDeleteAnswers For AylaOctober 25, 2013 at 9:36 AM
Records show that DHHS did follow up with the ER Dr. at Inland Hospital, but there is no record of DHHS following up with the orthopedic specialist in Portland.
So dhhs did do their job. They followed up on Jessica's complaint according to Jeff. Obviously, the er Dr did not find anything questionable about Ayla's arm break. The end.
DeleteThese are Jeff's words. His interpretation of the what DHHS did. I want to see the records. Until then, all of this is hearsay and means nothing.
DeleteI'm with you, Grace. I want all the records, and not interpretations or individual selections. Otherwise, it's still bullshit.
DeleteAgree, that's why I keep using terms such as, "according to so and so" and "from what so and so tells us". I don't believe they would release the records in their entirety to the public. I wouldn't if I were them. That is rather personal and not just about Trista or Ayla.
DeleteI'd love to hear some words from the 3 adults in the home the night Ayla disappeared.
DeleteAs would everyone else. Let's not hold our breath...
Deletehttp://www.pressherald.com/news/1999_indictment_to_be_released_in_JonBenet_slaying.html
ReplyDelete" the grand jury had issued an indictment, but the documents for the first time revealed the charges against the Ramseys. The grand jury accused both John and Patsy Ramsey of helping someone who committed murder, but the document did not identify the alleged killer. The documents alleged both parents intended to delay or prevent the arrest of the alleged killer."
This got me thinking about any potential similarities between that and this case.
Nina I don't see a likeness at all between the cases. Please explain.
DeleteI did say "potential" similarities. They never found who killed John Benet, and the parents were under suspicion and scrutinized then cleared.
DeleteAlso, this: "He also cited Lacy’s apology in a letter to John Ramsey at the time, in which she said “no innocent person should have to endure such an extensive trial in the court of public opinion, especially when public officials have not had sufficient evidence to initiate a trial in a court of law.”
AFA "the end", not quite. DHHS did the follow up with the ER Dr. who did not find any suspicion with Justin's story, but they did not follow up with the orthopedic specialist who stated that Ayla's injury was not consistent with Justin's claim.
ReplyDeleteTrista stated that he looked at Justin directly and told him this and gave "them both attitude" during the rest of the visit.
It looks to me like DHHS got their wires crossed and followed up with the wrong doctor who was not a specialist in the field and the haphazard result may have been:
“Waterville police say there was nothing suspicious about the girl's injury”.
http://www.pressherald.com/news/aylas-father-explains-how-toddlers-arm-was-broken_2012-01-07.html
Interesting comment for an open criminal investigation.
Jeff, if the specialist had disagreed with Justin's version, and felt that the break was not accidental, wouldn't he have reported that to CPS as a mandated reporter? And if he did, DHHS would have to follow up. Do the records reflect that the specialist made a report to CPS?
DeleteJeff, there is no mention of suspected abuse in the report from that visit. You can say that's what Trista said but it doesn't hold water if it's not in the medical report. To drop something like that into the conversation.... if you can't back it up. Well like you said last night, it's hearsay to me.
Delete" if the specialist had disagreed with Justin's version, and felt that the break was not accidental, wouldn't he have reported that to CPS as a mandated reporter?"
Delete......If it's true that the "orthopedic specialist who stated that Ayla's injury was not consistent with Justin's claim".
I'm positive he would have reported his suspicions to DHHS.
Is there a report a report to DHHS from the Orthopedic Dr?
If not, then Jeff is saying that the dr. disregarded his duty as a mandatory reporter. That's a serious claim.
Sorry, I wrote this before seeing Jeff's reply below. Trying to do too many things at once.
DeleteNegative, the next DHHS log follows up with the Dr at Inland Hospital regarding what Jessica stated in the previous log.
ReplyDeleteThere is no record of the specialist calling it in.. I'll have to take Trista over there next week and find out what is going on.
Did Trista report any of this to DHHS, Jeff?
DeleteJeff Hanson says: October 25, 2013 at 2:46 pm
ReplyDeleteGood point BW, MSP told Trista the day before that the search would be conducted, based on a new lead.. Yet, they told the press the next day that they were revisiting an old one.
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Jeff...will all due respect (because I'm trying to be nicer seeing as your Judy's brother!)...what is the point in posting this?
Why would MSP tell Trista one thing and the public another? And what does it really matter?
I'm not sure what message you are trying to convey here.
TIA!
Kitty, when you find out, let me know. I'm at a loss surrounding many messages that are being conveys right now.
Delete*conveyed
DeleteSee how confused I am? :-)
A2...I just don't get it.
DeletePerhaps MSP wanted Trista to keep that little tidbit to herself, and let the public think they were following up on an old tip?
Or perhaps Jeff just wants us to know that MSP shares secrets with Trista that the public isn't privy to?
So why post it?
So many conflicting accounts. So much hearsay.
I don't know, Kitty. I'm still trying to figure out why he keeps releasing the DHHS stuff that, honestly, makes Trista look really, really bad.
DeleteMaybe Jeff is just confused himself, and wondering, and asking a question. Not everything that someone says has to have hidden meaning and ulterior motive.
DeleteOne of two conclusions for me, MSP says what they want to whom they want because they can or Trista misunderstood.
ReplyDeleteThis is all so confusing. Is that the purpose? I don't understand why these things get brought up without evidence to back it up, or without accurate information at the very least. If we can pick out the inconsistencies so quickly, what kind of person would write it up & release it as fact?
ReplyDeleteMaybe someone here can email her and ask. : ) That would make a nice blog entry. I want to know, too.
DeleteI'm kind of hoping Jeff won't feel obliged to clarify, Foil. Each time he does, I experience vertigo.
DeleteHope you are well!
Thanks, kitty.
DeleteIt would be interesting to hear from the award-winning journalist who wrote the piece, no? That's whom I meant. : ) I'd think she'd want to defend her journalistic integrity, or at least have something to say about the inconsistencies.
I am MUCH better since I closed my blog. I read here and smile at my cartwheeling, popcorn eating sorority sisters who continue to ask questions and have a skin thicker than mine. You make me proud. I miss hosting a place for you all and never minded that. It's the blog paparazzi that gets me down.
But again, distance is healthy for me. I see things more clearly when I'm not reacting and defending.
LATF made it known that this is merely a continuation of the forum you founded, Foil. You have much to be proud of...
DeleteI tried to pen you a proper goodbye...only to be greeted with an eviction notice and locked doors. I had hoped you could hold up till the 200 mark, but realized you really were ready to fold.
This is a nice home...but Oak snores too loudly. :)
I apologize, kitty. I know I was abrupt but yes, I was done. Thank you for understanding and appreciating my efforts.
Delete(And OH, so THAT's what that noise was!)
....Now that I'm more free to read through the comments, I wanted to take the time to say ....Hi Nina.
DeleteIt's nice to see your comments.
"distance is healthy for me. I see things more clearly when I'm not reacting and defending".
....Ah yes, I'm sure that's true, and that's a big benefit for all of us.
In regards to your comment above. It's a shame that Patsy Ramsey passed away before learning of the new DNA evidence, and DA Lacy's apology letter.
Hi, A 1. Thanks. : )
DeleteOMG Kitty and Nina you crack me up....anyone watching me secretly would seriously be wondering about my sanity....sorry about the snoring....I need to get that checked out....
DeleteThanks for the belly laughs girls :D
Oaklandrez
Grace's post: http://justiceforayla.org/lying-game/#more-2118
ReplyDeleteHey Nina,I saved you a seat on the sofa! Trust me, it's WAY safer than the beanbag. You might get shanked if you go eyeing it too closely :-)
DeleteGrace...I'm always willing to go for a ride with you, but you take the turns too sharp for my taste. No matter how hard I try, I just can't entertain the Justin/Trista murder plot. The rest was pretty solid, though!
Thanks, A 2!
DeleteRe Grace's post, I agree with you. However I CAN see Trista and Justin both knowing more than they are revealing. But Trista willingly killing Ayla for money, no.
I can see them both knowing more, too. I can't be the only one who wonders if that menstrual blood covered sheet really traveled from Portland.
DeleteGrace...I'm always willing to go for a ride with you, but you take the turns too sharp for my taste. No matter how hard I try, I just can't entertain the Justin/Trista murder plot. The rest was pretty solid, though!
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I was grasping for the words...but you stated them far better than I could have, A2.
A Justin/Trista murder plot is an absurd notion, IMO.
I'm willing to be wrong. I just can't think of any other reason Trista would have for lying about the reason Ayla was in Justin's care.
DeleteAt this point she could just simply say, we had an agreement. I was wrong, I should have realized he was abusing Ayla and I didn't.
Instead, she continues with the lie of "Justin took her from me".
Why does she desperately want everyone to believe this?
She HAS said that Grace!
DeleteHe did take Ayla from her, but they did make an agreement after that. She thought that Ayla would be safe with him, she has said that.
She has also basically said that hindsight is 20/20, when piecing together all the things that were wrong with Ayla after visits with him.
Nice post Grace.
DeleteI always find your post interesting, and well thought-out.
Sorry, Anon, but that hindsight thing isn't going to cut it. Not anymore. I was willing to believe that once, but the things we've learned recently don't support that in any way.
Delete"Why does she desperately want everyone to believe this?" (@Grace) Good question!
Delete@ Aonon 9:31 -"She has also basically said that hindsight is 20/20". Well that refers to after the fact. Why are we now being told she has been in contact with DHHS since Ayla started visiting with her father. She must of truly had concerns to do that. She is not just "piecing together all the things that were wrong with Ayla after visits with him", from what we are now hearing.
Yet, we've heard things such as, Trista didn't try to see Ayla for two weeks after rehab because she thought Ayla was being well taken care of.
signed:getrealpeople
If she reported these things to dhhs, and they claimed to find nothing wrong, then she probably second guessed herself on her concerns. Yes, I believe she has hindsight and pieced things together after the fact.
DeleteYou honestly think she'd want her daughter to be in the care of someone who she thinks would abuse her? If dhhs is telling you that xy and z is perfectly fine and not abusive, you might think you overreacted. If, God forbid, something worse happens, you would probably then think, no I didn't overreact, xyz happened, dhhs under-reacted.
Well that refers to after the fact. Why are we now being told she has been in contact with DHHS since Ayla started visiting with her father. She must of truly had concerns to do that. She is not just "piecing together all the things that were wrong with Ayla after visits with him", from what we are now hearing.
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Thank you, GRP. Today we also learned that Trista claims she heard, with her own ears, the doctor say that Justin's account didn't match Ayla's injury. The doctor even gave them "attitude."
We learned in the past few days that Ayla was dirty and unhappy when Trista visited with her.
So yeah, I'm not buying hindsight.
Anon (10:23) - Didn't we already hear how Trista was "stonewalled" by DHHS? Haven't we already heard how DHHS doesn't like their family? Yet, we are to believe, "If dhhs is telling you that xy and z is perfectly fine and not abusive, you might think you overreacted"?
DeleteDidn't we already hear how every time Ayla came home from a visit with Justin she had bruises, or something wrong with her?
We are talking about a child!!!!!!
signed:getrealpeople
Yes we have heard those things. We also heard that Trista went to court and filed for custody, after being in Justin's care for roughly 2 months.
DeleteI'm not buying hindsight either....It would be one thing if Trista only had a couple of little things wrong but some of these details are WAY wrong and are BIG details. Do I think, like Grace. that Trista and Justin conspired to "get rid" of Ayla for the insurance money, naw, I lean more in the direction of someone on Justin's "side" hid Ayla so Trista wouldn't get her back....just not quite sure who....Trista knows more than she is telling, just like people in Justin's circle knows more than they are telling.
DeleteAnd A2, you can have the beanbag, for now....muahahahaha
Oaklandrez
So Trista knows where Ayla is, what happened to her, but she isn't telling? What do you think her reasoning for that would be?
Delete@Anon 10:20 - "What do you think her reasoning for that would be?"
DeleteHhmmm...the first that comes to mind, with me, is a prison sentence.
signed:getrealpeople
No, why would she hide where her child is, and what happened to her, to begin with, in cahoots with Justin?
DeleteAnon 8:01-yeah, Trista filed for custody...on the day Justin said he wasn't going to pick up Trista the following day, and the day he stopped speaking to Trista. Until then, it seems that Trista was okay with Ayla being battered, dirty, and unhappy.
DeleteAnon 10:20 and 11:25....I never said Trista know's where Ayla is or that she hid Ayla...I said she knows more than she is saying. Same with Justin.
DeleteOaklandrez
Oak, they like to read between the lines. (Actually I think there is only one anon here... for now.)
DeleteAnon 11:25 - I don't care if Trista is in "cahoots" with anyone, if she knows where Ayla is and isn't telling, my answer is the same. Do you have a point to the questions you ask? Sorry, but like Grace said, you're making my sides hurt. (Thanks Grace, hope you don't mind me borrowing it!)
signed:getrealpeople
This is really too much!!!
ReplyDeleteWhy wasn't this told to begin with, since it now has to be explained to us why it wasn't said....and on and on and on..........
Why was this "award winning" journalist told these same untruths after all this time, and now what she said is being corrected. She also wrote them as fact! Don't want to go there, but Jeff did his homework (or he thinks he did...LOL).
It is getting too crazy to even explain. Extreme vertigo, mckeekitty!
signed:getrealpeople
AFA , got a question for you. This whole release concerning DHHS, it's confidential material, correct? Can these "actual" documents be released to the public?
ReplyDeleteI would think not. Jeff has scanned and posted documents from Dr's visits, etc, yet he doesn't show us the actual documents from DHHS.
Isn't that a privacy issue, especially when it concerns children?
signed:getrealpeople
GRP, as Ayla's mother, Trista has the right to release them if she chooses. As long as the information released doesn't pertain to any other children than her own, she can paint billboards with it if she likes.
DeleteThanks AFA.
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Lee says:
ReplyDeleteOctober 25, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Does anyone find it surprising that government agencies have inaccuracies and inconsistencies in their reports? You shouldn’t. Nor should anyone cast aspersions on Terrilyn Simpson for reporting what the reports say. Terrilyn’s article is not on the accuracy of governmental documentation, but on how Ayla was taken by the DiPietros with DHHS help and LE escort without legal authority and documentation.
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Who cast aspersions on her? I see people questioning her reporting. Questions do not equate aspersions. Why not include the actual reports with certain things redacted to accompany the article?
For me the issue is why what Trista publicly stated not aligned with these "facts?" Spare me "she's confused." I can agree that small details can be easily forgotten or confused, but not something major like Trista having said she had an agreement with Justin and thought Ayla was safe.
I don't care about Ms. Simpson. I care about whether or not Trista is lying, and why.
Does anyone else feel like a broken record? Why is it so hard for some to understand that Justin had every right to go get his daughter from Jessica? He asked for the police to assist him, obviously knowing it might turn ugly if he went on his own. The police contacted DHHS to make sure his claim of paternity was correct before assisting. DHHS confirmed/verified/gave their stamp of approval (gosh darn the english language and all of its synonyms) to Justin's claim, and police then assisted... since they're, you know, pretty aware of how laws work and stuff.
ReplyDeleteIs anyone who thinks terribly of Justin willing to admit that bringing the police along was a good idea?
Anyway, can we stop making something of this? It just seems so ridiculous how we're splitting hairs over a story that gets more inconsistent and fabricated as we go along. Remember the early accounts of the "taking of Ayla" in the newspaper? They seem to make the most sense and are probably the most accurate.
Stop making something of it? It is something on it's own. If Justin had rights to Ayla, and he did, all he had to do was go pick her up. If things got out of hand, he could alert police. He would need proof of being Ayla's father if he wanted to involve police, and it would need to be more than a civil matter, for the police to get involved. It was not a dhhs matter. If dhhs had no knowledge of the situation, what would he have done? He (Phoebe) used dhhs, when it wasn't their concern. It was not a simple paternity verification that happened. And for that matter, how was his paternity verified? A phone call, through Phoebe? Karen Small didn't even speak to Justin. How did she know she was even speaking to Phoebe, and why did she speak with Phoebe, why didn't she speak with Ayla's father? Karen Small provided no documentation to verify Justin's paternity. It seems as though dhhs was "unofficially" involved.
DeleteIt is something. If you want to think it's nothing, that's your prerogative.
The problem, anon, is your lack of understanding as to how these situations play out legally. What the proper way to go about it is. Maybe Justin should have just snuck into Jessica's apartment in the middle of the night and taken Ayla. Seems to have worked for someone..
DeleteI definitely feel like a broken record. I've been repeating myself for the better part of two weeks... If anyone actually listened to reason to see that the exchange was completely legal, they would then have to go against what Trista says. We can't have that, now can we? Picking on the grieving mother and disrespecting a woman who couldn't properly care for her children and left one with a suspected abuser resulting in her disappearance. How audacious of us...
DeleteAnon, don't believe everything you read as actually fact, especially when the story keeps changing (that should raise a red flag!).
DeleteAlert the police if things got out of hand? By that time all sorts of accusations could be thrown around! I can only imagine what we would be reading then, LOL!
Justin had every right to care for Ayla while Trista was unable to. So, as Missy says, "Anyway, can we stop making something of this?"
signed:getrealpeople
AFA - "If anyone actually listened to reason to see that the exchange was completely legal, they would then have to go against what Trista says. We can't have that, now can we?"
DeleteExactly!!!
signed:getrealpeople
STOP asking pertinent questions, AFA! Stop questioning Trista's/Jeff's conflicting statements. Stop trying to explain that Justin was well within his rights to retrieve Ayla from Jessica and Becca. Stop looking for that report from Ayla's mysterious primary physician who was suspicious of the arm break. Stop questioning why Trista would ask Justin to step in if she suspected Justin of abusing Ayla. Stop asking why Trista waited nearly two months to file papers.
DeleteStop rocking the boat, AFA!
Stop seeking the truth!
Oh...and I don't mean to just pick on you, AFA. My comment is also directed to A1, A2, GRP, LATF, Oak, Missy, Foil, and many of you other shit-stirrers who have the audacity to say..."Hmm...something's not right here."
DeleteLOL mckeekitty!
DeleteI will try to refrain.
(Ah, hell, who am I kidding, I can't.)
signed:getrealpeople
Well...you know what that makes you, GRP?
DeleteA "skirt."
Hahahaha!!!! Haven't heard that term in a while (nor have I worn one in a while).
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
GRP it's Penny's term of endearment for the likes of us.
DeleteShe's so sweet isn't she! (Actually, I should say "he", everyone always assumes Penny is a woman.)
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
GRP I've suspected and stated along the way that Penny is likely a man, one quite obsessed with me. I'm pretty sure he's an attorney trying to get his hand in this case should it go to trial. Originally he spelled his name Pennyante, like the poker term.
DeleteI remember the spelling "Pennyante, like the poker term". I guess it's when commenters started referring to pennyante as Penny, that person was thought to be female.
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Yes, and Penny ran with it, and likes to put out that he's an 80 something year old woman, who the other day mentioned something about typos on his new tablet. Nothing against 80s year olds, but most of those I know have a tough time with email alone. He's a very proficient blogger and tech savvy for a senior citizen.
DeleteKitty...I am so sorry for the shit pot stirring....please don't make me lick the spoon...and I'll stop snoring too...wouldn't want to disturb your beauty sleep....I'm gonna go sit in the corner and be good now.
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I don't know if Penny is a man or woman, but I am certain the person is not an 80 year old.
DeleteI worked with our seniors for a long time, ..and no, there is no way that Penny is an 80 years old.
I don't mean to rock the boat. It's just hard to sit still while someone is trying to feed me bullcrap.
DeleteThanks, A 1.
DeleteCG: "I don't see Penny as a bully or as someone interested in shutting down open discourse. She's an older woman (someone said she's 80 y.o., which is not directly relevant, but may reflect to some extent a generational divide in terms of bluntness) with strong views who expresses them with an intensity that others seem to find offensive."
http://askingforaylareynolds.blogspot.com/2013/10/i-didnt-sign-up-for-this-im-done.html?showComment=1382015323158#c5042568485839809417
But I know Penny "herself" stated the 80 year old thing. I haven't the time or interest to dig through all the comments, but I posted CG's comment from my blog to show I'm not the only one who heard the tall tale of 80 year old lady.
Also, I'm very curious about why CG seems to want to excuse Penny. I know a lot of 80 year olds and none of them are blunt. They come from an era of manners and speaking respectfully to others. Now, surely some elders become cranky and short-tempered, but reading Penny's verbose musings and aspersions, I don't see a cranky 80 year old.
DeleteAnd that, A1, makes you a "disgrace to Ayla."
DeleteI failed to call out Judy in my little rant. Judy...the biggest boat-rocker, shit-stirrer of all. The nerve of the wench to question HER OWN BROTHER'S account of the FACTS. That's right...indisputable, unequivocal FACTS.
Trista, Alex, and Melissa saw the blood evidence with their own six eyes! Never mind McCausland...he didn't know what he was yapping about when he stated that the meetings were only for Ayla's family members.
I suggest you get with the program and develop a taste for bullshit, A1.
Omg my stomach hurts from laughing Kitty. Yes Jeff and I are Night and Day as I was told. I am a disgraceful wench.
DeleteThat being said - I question the person/s feeding Jeff the info. I am not drinking the Kool aid. I know too much to take every word anyone says as "truth" whether it be by mistake or to suit ones purpose.
You're a good sport, Judy. I don't envy your position. We are often critical of people that were, by extension, your family.
DeleteI'm trying to be more civil towards your brother. I believe you when you say that Jeff is only trying to help...
He does, however, tend to make these more murky and complicated.
Hope you're having a good weekend!
Penny in my opinion= A cur·mud·geon
Deletenoun \(Ė)kÉr-ĖmÉ-jÉn\
: a person (especially an old man) who is easily annoyed or angered and who often complains
No disrespect intended people can not help being themselves.
Kitty,
DeleteI know you have been holding back, I think your doing awesome! Thank you :-)
I am having an awesome weekend, even if it does entail leaf cleaning !
Alright, who's got the spoon? I'm about to stir...
DeleteJust remember AFA, she/he who stirs the shit pot must lick the spoon...LOL
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ReplyDeletePhoebe shouldn't have orchestrated the removal of Ayla from Jessica and Becca at all. Had Phoebe not stuck her nose in it, Ayla would be with Trista today. Ayla was perfectly fine with Jessica, Becca and Raymond (as evidenced by the fact that Raymond is fine). Where's Ayla? No one seems to know, so apparently Justin wasn't a good choice to take her.
ReplyDeleteRaymond is fine? You sure about that?
Delete.....From reading the Taking Of Ayla, (even with the errors) it's plain to me that Phoebe didn't orchestrate anything. The only thing Phoebe did was make a couple of phone calls.
DeleteIt was Trista and Justin who decided where Ayla would be during her stay in rehab.
From the article:
"The entry indicates that the parents - Trista and Justin - did have at least a short term custody agreement"
....the agreement:
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I let her know that we were there with Trista when Trista made the plan for the children to go with Jessica and that her son (Justin) was aware of that plan and supported the children going to Jessica for the weekend.”
.....Ayla would stay with Jessica for the weekend.
Monday Oct. 17, Justin wanted to pick Ayla up, per his agreement.
It is Jessica that didn't want to abide by the agreement.
everybody sees only what they want to see. I'm sure Raymond is fine and so is Trista's new baby. Anonymous 2, don't ask if I'm sure and than give no indication of what you are implying. You can think what you want, but the facts speak for themselves. Where's Ayla?
DeleteYour sure Ray is fine doesn't make it so. What facts? what facts do you have ?
DeleteAnon-I'm not implying anything. I'm saying outright that Trista was just in court due to DHHS concerns surrounding little Ray.
DeleteAnon 1:41...Trista appeared in court just last month on :"trumped up charges" regarding Ray scraping his face when he fell of this tricycle.
DeleteWhy would DHHS get involved with a toddler taking a spill from his tricycle?
I would have done the same for my son - helped guide him on how to do it responsibly. That's what was done. Ayla is his daughter he has a right to her - certainly more right then becky and Jessica. imo
ReplyDeleteThink what you will. But Justin is old enough to do it himself, if he wanted to. It's obvious his mother wanted him to do it more.
DeleteA - I don't think his mom made him leave Portland and move in with her so he could take responsibility for Ayla - I am pretty sure he had some say in that. that's my opinion
DeleteAccording to Trista it was HER requirement that Justin move in with his mother.
DeleteShe I on video saying so.
Really? I wonder if that is true.
DeleteHere is the video Judy where Trista says that she and Justin had an agreement. That agreement was that if Justin took Ayla, he HAD to live with his mother.
Deletestarting @ 1:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NMLtR0l3bU
Question for Jeff: Jeff, please know I am not being snarky when I ask this, but why wouldn't you release the actual documents since you have them in your possession and Trista can authorize you to release and publish them?
ReplyDeleteEvery single time there is a release of information, those of us who question everything and all people involved, there is a retraction, correction, clarification, or new edition of the story that is quite unlike the original. From the "story" written by Angela to the DHHS notes release from Jeff, these things one by one have been dissected and proven to be somewhat to downright incorrect....IMO there is soooo much more to this case than we have gotten a peek at, because I truly believe that LE hasn't even released an 1/8 of what they have for info on this case...sooner or later someone with talk themselves into a corner and this will end up on one of those ID channel shows....
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone remember when we were first told about "the case for Trista"?
ReplyDeleteI remember it being said that "the Case For Ayla" would be released @ U4A, and "the Case for Trista" on J4A. IIRC at first it was to be at the same time, then later changed to "The Case for Trista" to be released at a later date.
What I'm wondering is WHEN "The Case For Trista" was first mentioned.?
I can't seem to find a comment now when Jeff first mentioned "The Case For Trista"
I was thinking it was under the "Press for Prosecution" tab. , but it isn't now.
About Aug 20, because that's when this article was published:
Deletehttp://www.portlanddailysun.me/index.php/newsx/news-briefs/10063-ayla-reynolds-mother-vows-to-press-case
Okay, thank you A 2
DeleteNow, what was "The Case For Trista" to be about?
How things were handled by DHHS?
I'm wondering because supposedly Trista went to court in Sept., and got the DHHS case file at that time.
Just wondering how this all fits together.
That seems to be the big mystery...how it all fits. I'm starting to believe that it doesn't.
DeleteTrista in my opinion is not a bad person, I think she has a problem dealing with this whole mess. I know I would have problems with it myself.
ReplyDeleteHer only recourse is to try to understand why this has happened to her. She more than likely blames herself for a lot that has happened. At this point she is looking for someone else to blame and in my opinion this is normal.
She is not really to blame in all reality. It is part of the process of dealing with the loss of Ayla. The stretching of the truth so to speak to blame DHHS, she has already blamed Justin for his part as she disappeared while with him.
There are people that enable this stretching of the facts to go on and they look at it as helping Trista because they sincerely care for her.
I believe in time all the innocent will heal, the loss will never go away but the blame game will end. The blame will then rest on the only one responsible for Ayla being missing.
I don't think in terms of bad or good people. I think in terms of responsible vs neglectful, guilty vs innocent, knowledgeable of what happened to Ayla vs in the dark as the rest of us.
DeleteAs for looking for someone else to blame, in what context? The blame belongs with Ayla's kidnapper or killer. Why would she want someone else to blame for that if she didn't do it?
As for people allowing "stretching" of the truth because they care, that is called enabling.
This needs to be about finding out what happened to Ayla, and not making Trista, Justin, anyone feel better or worse. But if asking questions and facts that emerge point blame to one or the other side, or reveals less than flattering relevant fact, then so be it.
I understand what you are saying and agree. What I was talking about is the dealing with the loss.
DeleteFrom what I have experienced trying to understand the loss of a child from natural causes. At first some people blame themselves for a long time.
Then when you figure out there was nothing you could have done to prevent it, in trying to understand you question if your spouse could have done something to prevent it. If they had been more attentive seen it coming.
Then you blame the hospital because the child just got a clean bill of health from the doctor, then you realize there is nothing they did wrong. Then it is Gods turn and you blame him. Then you realize no one is to blame it just happened.
Aylas case is more complicated than natural causes but it is a loss you have to deal with as a parent and it is part of the healing process.
I am probably not explaining it well and I mean no harm in it. It is just my opinion and an attempt at understanding a lot of it.
Thanks, Dana. I understand. I know you meant no harm. I know you are here for Ayla. You have some personal experience with the loss of a child that gives you a point of reference.
DeleteThanks for understanding Nina. I think this case is going to get worse before it gets better.
DeleteDana, you're a pretty awesome guy. I get nastier and more jaded by the day, and you keep getting kinder and more understanding. Hats off to you :-)
DeleteOnce in awhile I step back and stop discussing, then I think back and can sort of see a few of the reasons why she does some of the things she does. We had people that told us after a couple of months you may want to think about suing the doctor. We stepped back and said will that bring our son back, or just give me money to sink further into the bottle. We didn't sue.
DeleteI can't say it is true, but I can say that Trista did say, that she and Justin had an agreement that he would take care of Ayla until she got on her feet, and that she wanted Justin to live with his mother.
ReplyDeleteI'll find the video if you want.
Sorry, this should have went under Judy @ 2:50
DeleteIf you can A1 that would be awesome - I just find it strange she would tell him that and he would do it! If he did then it wasn't his mother controlling him -as others would have us believe - it was him wanting to take care of Ayla and doing what Trista said in order to do it. Just a little glitch for me but It would be nice to have it clear for my own mind.
DeleteI posted the video above Judy,
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NMLtR0l3bU
She talks about the agreement starting at about 1:35. She clearly says that SHE is the one who wanted Justin to live with his mother, as she thought Ayla would be safer there.
the reporter mentions that the agreement included the time that she was in rehab.
A1 - thank you! I have seen clips of that video but not the whole thing.
DeleteIs it just me, or are things getting more bizarre?
ReplyDeleteWatcha thinking?
DeleteThat very little if anything is what it seems.
DeleteAnd the continual releases. I want to make sense of things but it's just not possible.
DeleteNo...it's not just you!
Delete"I want to make sense of things but it's just not possible." --I think that says it all.
signed:getrealpeople
http://united4ayla.com/a-peek-into-the-rabbit-hole/
ReplyDeleteUm..
Delete"I did find that a select few DHHS logs have human errors, but more importantly there appears to be missing log entries and follow ups..."
DeleteWho gets to determine that they are human errors vs accurate? I mean, legally?
"I did find that a select few DHHS logs have human errors, but more importantly there appears to be missing log entries and follow ups that Trista’s lawyer (Brian Hansen) and I will look into."
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Rest easy, folks. The A-team of Hansen and Hanson will get to the bottom of the missing log entries and follow-ups.
Good, maybe they'll find the one where Trista gave the okay for Justin to keep Ayla. Trista says it was in writing, after all.
DeleteWho is Jeff referring to when he says, "One positive outcome is that people have not been berating Trista in public. In fact, everyone has been very supportive; even her neighbors have apologized profusely for calling her derogatory names."?
DeleteA 2, good thought, but somehow I doubt it will happen. It's one of the missing log entries!
signed:getrealpeople
I'm so glad to see the focus where it ought to be....Trista and the violation of HER rights. That's why we're all here and what we should be fighting for.
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This is what I don't understand! Why is this all about TRISTA???
DeleteSorry, was supposed to be posted under your entry, Kitty.
DeleteI'm with Nina. This has gotten bizarre.
And by that I mean protecting and prosecuting DHHS. What about Trista addressing the hard, important points, like speaking for herself instead of having a family spokesman?
DeleteProtecting HER, Trista, I mean.
DeleteI need some air.
How about getting some searches going for her missing child? She can still sue DHHS if she wants, but damned if I can understand why that shit needs to be public.
DeleteBut hey, at least the neighbors aren't being mean anymore.
"Also, Terrilyn Simpson’s did an awesome job writing “The Taking of Ayla Reynolds” and she may do another article in the future regarding, what we have termed, “the DHHS harassment suits” since Ayla was taken from Trista"
ReplyDelete...Harassment suitS,...How many suits have been filed against Trista?
Good question, A1.
DeleteYeah, DHHS is harassing Trista. Even though doing so opened the door of discovery to the same "dirty deeds" DHHS was trying to hide. Umm hmm, got it.
Good catch A1.
DeleteA 2, "Umm hmm, got it." Yeah right! Then explain it to the rest of us :)
signed:getrealpeople
LATF, Thanks for the new page, up and ready!
ReplyDeleteI have to say my first thought when I saw it, MORE corrections. LOL
signed:getrealpeople
LOL Sorry about that. Boy do I have some catching up to do.
DeleteBut this is only a peek into the rabbit hole and there are many other violations of law and policy that will need to be addressed in the proper forum.
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime, there is still a lot going on and I have to get back to it.
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Thanks, Jeff!
Proper forum? You mean blogs?
Why won't the media touch your shit, Jeff?
Credibility?
Excellent point, mckeekitty!
DeleteProper forum, WTH!
signed:getrealpeople
I apologize ahead of time. I'm about to ask a question and bring some additional legal bullshit to the table. I know, what an I thinking, right? Everyone hang on because there might be a history lesson. For anyone who doesn't understand what I'm saying, please just hop on over to wikipedia. I believe they have the most easily understandable explanation. I'm not hashing this out for two weeks like the custody situation. McKee, pass me the big spoon.
ReplyDeleteJeff is now claiming that Trista's 4th and 14th amendment rights were violated. By dhhs and (by definition) LE. WTF?!?! When was there an unlawful search, arrest or seizure? When was Trista denied due process by way of denying her life, liberty or property? When was she not given equal protections??? You know who might have a chance in a civil suit against LE concerning these amendments? I'll let you guys think on that... This is the most ridiculous abuse of the Bill of Rights I've seen in a long time. Anyone have any clues when so many of Trista's civil rights were denied? Please don't tell me, during the custody "grab". Give me examples of how her 4th and 14th amendment rights were violated. Why does it feel like the "victim" is building a defense case???? WTF!?!?
AFA, I know where you're going and damn...
DeleteDamn.
I don't know if I dare take this path. My mind is reeling. I'm going to need to get more than some air to get this shit straight. All I can say right now is, if I were Trista, I'd pull a Justin and stuff a sock in it.
DeleteThis is getting utterly ridiculous. She/they is/are digging a gigantic hole. The sad thing is, all of her followers are gladly throwing themselves into that hole. If Justin was saying/doing wonky things like that, I would rethink everything.
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DeleteNot only are they throwing themselves into the hole, some of them now want to throw money at the many lawsuits Trista will need to file. Ugh.
DeleteAnna, if you read here, do yourself and Ayla a favor. Take the money you want to give to Trista's legal fund, head down to Staples, spend it on printing flyers for Ayla, get out your walking shoes and your staple gun and get busy.
Anna seems to be a brand new commenter, and she's bringing up donations. I feel comfortable suggesting that she is a friend of Trista. I also feel confident that some of the trolls I encountered are associates of hers to some capacity.
DeleteOnly an opinion , but if they put half as much energy and effort into organizing searches for Ayla as they do looking into lawsuits, maybe this case would be solved.
DeleteI thought Hansen was working Pro bono for Trista- I assumed that meant free.
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