Corrections to Terrilyn's article from Jeff Continued
Sorry I have been crazy busy the last couple days. I am working on a new post for tomorrow but for now please use this if we hit 200 comments on the other post. I want everyone to be able to see the comments.
When I read the BDN not long ago I saw similar "anti Trista" comments, but really, many of them are simply factual, like these:
There is no gossip involved here. There are facts: (1) Ms. Reynolds had a baby, (2) she chose to start taking drugs and alcohol which led to her addiction (3) she gave up her parental rights to the child while she was in rehab (4) the child went missing and (5) she has announced that she is going to sue DHHS. Those are FACTS and not gossip. If there are any of those facts which are inaccurate then by all means, correct me. February 14, 2012 at 6:11pm · Like · 22
The first person who is responsible for whatever happened to that child is the person who committed whatever unspeakable crime they did against her. Next in line are her parents, who quite honestly abdicated any responsibility whatsoever to protect that child and raise her right. They allowed her to become a pawn in their own game and she was an afterthought. That child did not ask to be brought in to this world and she deserves so much better than what she got. If Ms. Reynolds was that concerned with raising her daughter then she never should have made the CHOICE she did to abuse drugs and alcohol. It is sickening to think that now it supposed to be the fault of the DHHS. Unless she has some relevant information regarding her daughter's disappearance, Ms. Reynolds should really spend more time thinking about her own responsibility in what occurred and less time thinking about who else she can sue. Despicable! February 14, 2012 at 5:52pm · Like · 34
I've been scanning comments from diverse media sources across the nation (San Francisco Chronicle, Chicago Tribune, The Denver Post, and The Boston Herald) to get a "feel" for public sentiment OUTSIDE of the blogs. These are usually AP snips on the case.
I suggest others do the same.
It was apparent to me that the general public is very suspicious about the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Ayla Reynolds.
OK, seriously, even if you think Justin is guilty as hell, and I do think he is culpable in all of this, but to what extent I do not know, and this is a run on sentence, but, how can anyone think this fashion of public relations and information dissemination is sound and helpful to Trista's case????? Or Ayla????
I DO appreciate that Jeff wants to keep Ayla's name in the news and it gives us something to talk about in the blogs- that's great! But the method and content is what is having me feel licked.
The answer I received at J4A from Jeff was 'at a later date' when I requested more information on the sources (such as the incident report that is a primary source) used by Ms. Simpson to write her editorial and if the documents were accessible for public view. Now it's "I do not know"? ...I love the consistency of answers, it truly builds on one's credibility as a valid source of information.
Ah, reading IS fundamental. My mind filtered out the final line of Jeff's reply to MM. Why did my brain do that? I'm not sure. Tired, need coffee, distracted by homework - one of the three or all of the above, feel free to choose which one. A rather poor first impression of me though x.x. Doh. And here I was going for 'intelligent' instead of 'doofus'.
I think part of it is that I'm chaffing to see something, anything as far as an official LE document in regards to any aspect of Ayla's case. So far it's been a cake of confusion, emotion and opinion. You have a layer of tasty emotional responses (and opinions formed on an emotional basis is rarely guided by logic or facts and it's absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use the facts to change the minds of someone with an emotionally based opinion. This is what I've learned as a skeptical debunker), a layer of 'expert' and 'typical person' conjecture and it's iced with a huge amount of delicious hearsay.
Little to no documented facts that can be viewed, read and used to come to one's conclusion. I do stand by my comment about consistency and credibility though I was wrong in regards to my original impression of Jeff's post and I offer my apologies for my error. Now I'm going to go back to the lurk shadows in shame.
Here is just a taste of why Jeff should tap Chelsea Hoffman:
"The most disturbing evidence is that some of the blood had saliva mixed in it, which indicates to Trista that her daughter suffered before she died. It indicates to me that the girl was bleeding out of her mouth -- either from a wound in her mouth or internal bleeding that she was coughing up while dying. Seeing as though there was blood in the basement, on Justin's shoes and in his truck in large amounts, I am going to allege that this child was suffering from a punctured lung."
I almost wonder of it is available to the public.... I mean, yes, the incident involved the transfer of Ayla but it also concerned Justin and Jessica, not Trista and she was able to get a copy.
I'm not sure how that works in Maine. In my state, the only ones getting a copy of police incident report is the partys involved, or their attorney. Perhaps she could, since she is Ayla's mother.
Truth is I’m not exactly sure what the legal implications are for blog owners who post private government documents in their forum (no matter where they received them).
Last time I checked, Nina’s blog was still there and she has not been served with a cease and desists (at the very least). Could be just a slap on the wrist:
For the "record" I didn't post an official government document. I posted something copied and pasted forwarded to me by Judy from Jeff. I'm just sick of the bullshit games being played here.
The more of their "documents" and"evidence" they leak out to the public, the more they are destroying a case against whomever LE ends up charging. The only crime for sure that we know has been committed is Ayla being taken and hidden. No matter what any of us believe, that is ALL WE KNOW. Why jeopardize a case against whomever has taken this baby??? Why push for prosecution instead of a push for finding this baby??? Why play games?? I am so angry and fed up. This is your daughter, Trista! Help find her!! Stop worrying about Justin and dhhs and do something. Stop letting Jeff speak for you and demand your baby be found. I'm putting myself in the corner. I definitely need a time out...
I just went back to my old email - it was a cut and paste to me - that I cut and pasted to Nina - it was not an official document. Not going to do that again. I'll just sit and wait for it like everyone else.
AFA, Deffinately understand taking the corner when your upset. Don't be there long though, McKee is right, you are most certainly a great advocate for Ayla. I as well have learned a lot from you.
Is there room in the corner for two, AFA? I've been on the brink of laying a mushroom cloud up in here for days. All the fresh air and long walks don't seem to be helping.
What is truly evil is that you AFA are doing nothing to find Ayla. You are here just to shed doubt and cause Trista more misery than she already has. How can you say that Trista is not trying to find her baby. She has been screaming to the world since Ayla went missing. What has Justin done, what have any of them that were responsible for Ayla done? I would say absolutely nothing except keeping their mouths shut so that LE has to really work hard to get to the bottom of this case, they are having to put this case together with no help from the W4. Its disgusting to say the least. LE will figure this case out, LE will find Ayla. And yes, Anon 5:09 I agree wholeheartedly that this blog is trying to defer from the truth. Trying to protect the W4 by knocking Trista, and how is that helping get the truth out of those losers?
You have no idea what Justin has said to LE. You have no idea what Trista has said to LE. Trista HAS lied to the public. Show me where Justin has lied to the public. Good luck!
OT: I have a deeper appreciation for why people choose to have "closed" groups.
At face value, I always thought closed groups were highly suspect. I never liked the idea of excluding someone with an opinion to share. All opinions have value.
But with the bullshit I've seen these past weeks I find myself reconsidering my position on the matter. Foil has been driven to close and now wipe her blog off the face of the earth. Trolls are in heat and will hump any moving target. There are at least one or two out there determined to silence those that dare raise questions regarding Justin's absolute and unconditional guilt in the disappearance of his daughter. And those that dare raise questions regarding Trista's absolute and unconditional innocence in the disappearance of her daughter.
A1 said something about me that made me feel REALLY good about myself. She said that if her child were missing, she would want me (and others that question) to be there, asking questions. I feel the same way towards all of you.
I think there may be some lost folks who haven't found their way here yet, along with some lurkers who haven't found their voice yet. I'd hate to see them shut out. Having said that, I'm okay with whatever is decided.
Asking for Ayla already is. If voices goes private people like Penny win and Jeff never has to answer any of this blogs questions. Do you think it is the wise thing to do?
Damn...this is a tough one. We need more feedback from others. I really hate the idea of shutting out dissenting but respectful voices. Too cliquish for my tastes.
A1, A2, AFA, Oak, Judy, Missy, GRP, Sherlock, Tomato Soup...what are your thoughts? There are pros and cons to this.
But to NEVER see a Pennyauntie post here again makes it worth considering...
I am going to take a hiatus from all of this. I have a job, a life and it's taking up too much time and going nowhere. I was reading Obscure's blog earlier and it's like we're going in circles without making any progress. I can't cheat my husband my health my friends anymore.
Well of course it's up to Looking how she proceeds with her blog. My opinion though is, I'd like to see it remain open to the public. As A 2 said, there may be some who haven't found their way here, or like to read, but not comment. I think there is a lot of important and relevant dialogue discussed here. You never know when something said will cause another to think of something that could lead to a clue about Ayla's disappearance. Or something that causes another to rethink their opinion of something.
McKee, I'm glad that my comment caused you to feel good about yourself. I think everyone asking questions and looking for answers should feel good about themselves.
It's true, if my child were missing, I'd want ALL of you to be there asking your questions. Looking under every stone, poking your nose into every nook & craney. Not just accepting something as truth, if it doesn't make sense, or somehow seems off to you. I can not understand why anyone would want it any other way. why anyone would be against asking questions and searching out the truth.
Thanks. And btw, you guys rock. You have taught me how to be a better thinker and a stronger person. I admire your tenacity, brains, brawn and boots. Take care. : )
You never know when something said will cause another to think of something that could lead to a clue about Ayla's disappearance. ***** I'm glad you said this, A1, because its the main reason I keep speaking, even when it seems like we're going in circles.
GRP, I'll try. But I seem to be hooked and need to break my desire to figure out WHERE IS AYLA??? Maybe once I'm not so overworked about it. : )
And yes, you are all doing a service to Ayla. I don't mean to imply your words mean nothing. But as far as what we know, it seems like we're at square one. But what we know we don't know to be true is all because of you. Oh boy, that sounds circular and twisted, but I know you know what I mean!
You have no idea how many times I've said to myself, we just keep going in the same circles over and over again. You need to take care of yourself and your needs,& those of dear hubby too. I've scolded myself many times for not doing the same.
I am fine with either. If you make it private, I believe that those who aren't part of the approved commenters would get a message to request approval, right?
I did that for about 6 months this past winter. Just walked away, occasionally read some pages and continued to mail out Ayla bracelets to different small businesses and charity events. It helped. Then I came back... Now, I wonder why I'm back. I can still do awareness for Ayla without being on the blogs and Facebook pages. Then I remember why I started speaking in the first place.
A baby is missing. She has not seen her family in nearly two years. No one seems to know what happened to her. Somewhere along the way, a family was thrown under the bus during this investigation. Innocent people from all sides have been torn apart, caused undo pain and unjustly convicted in a public court. The system is failing this baby and both sides of her family. I can't keep my mouth shut about this. I can't just watch and shrug it off. What if this was my child? What if I wake up tomorrow and my baby is gone from his bed and no one believes me? What if I spend two years terrified of what could have happened to him and no one who knows will speak? That's why I'm still here. Rarely saying much but always watching. Always ready to speak. Stay strong ladies. If this can happen in Waterville, Maine> it can happen in your town. I would want a driving force for fairness and truth on my side if my child was missing.
AFA I second your words. Though my name is known, I've often gone months without speaking. I just feel the round and round is so much. But my babygirl is 3. She's blonde and blue eyes and vibrant. And I look at her and thank god everyday I'm not without her. That I know she's fed and clothed and loved. I couldn't imagine. Id want each and every one of you to drag my name through anything necessary to find my babies. It just breaks my heart to know Ayla is out there somewhere and her family is here missing her. Ayla needs to come home.
Hm. On one hand, with a closed blog, one wouldn't have to deal with the trolls. This is the only positive I can really think of. I'm probably not the only fence-sitting lurker who just recently decided to start bantering (thanks for the welcomes ( ; ) and it would be a shame to close them out as has been mentioned before. A closed blog would also attract no further attention to Ayla and this I feel it is an important note.
The other cons are that closed blogs and forums often attract scrutiny and this is usually for a good reason. The last secret forum I've heard about that made me personally very wary of them shared the names, addresses and phone numbers of a LOT of people - paying customers, it was Paypal details being shared. Hello there, privacy issues! Of course, that's the negative example of a 'secret' forum. Here's the positive: I have a 'secret' forum in my forum for the moderators and myself to discuss matters pertaining to forum maintenance, ban announcements, BOLs for particularly annoying posters that have been flagged.
The only other con I think of is the circles would only get smaller - fresh perspectives are beneficial to anything pertaining to discussion and those often come with new eyes and minds. My official opinion is to keep it open for now.
Justin really needs to speak up. If he is innocent of all these accusations, He needs to speak out for Ayla. Please Justin, explain the blood on your sneakers, bedroom, walls, couch. Why let people accuse. Don't let mama speak. We want to hear your side? Why won't you talk?
Katie-your baby girl is 3. She's blonde and blue eyed. She is the love of your life. What IF! God forbid, your daughter went missing, your boyfriend, ex-boyfriend or hubby, was the last to see her. They are discovered with blood on their shoes, vehicle and bedroom splattered. Would you still make statements like you do of their innocence??? Put yourself in Trista's shoes for just a few minutes and explain what you would do, so that we can all understand. Thank you Katie for a few minutes of reflection.
I have tried to put myself in tristas shoes. I have stated many times that as a mother i do feel for her. I have put my thoughts out for the world to see on J4A.
If either of my children were to come up missing, and there was no body, no obvious murder, I would chose to believe my husband until I no longer had a reason to. Blood tells me nothing. Especially since you cannot tell the age. My children have cuts, scrapes, bloody noses, bloody lips etc often because guess what? They don't live in a bubble. They are children. I am always there with them but they play hard sometimes. Climbing trees, riding bikes, playing tag, running after each other, jumping on and off beds. Blood happens. I was always getting hurt as a child because I was curious and clumsy. I was not abused or murdered. But I know I was a risky kid. My kids fight over toys and someone pulls something out of the others hand and bam, smashed against a mouth and a bloody lip. It happens no matter it they are 18 months or 18 years.
A1 says: I can not understand why anyone would want it any other way. why anyone would be against asking questions and searching out the truth. I am asking questions and I am seeking the truth. Why take offense?
Seeking the truth means questioning what you believe to be true, the things you think you know, and anything not officially released. Are you questioning those things, or are you questioning those who are asking the hard questions?
Because you only question one side. You act as though Trista is incapable of lying and her evidence is real. Everyone here would love to hear from Justin. I couldn't care less about him defending himself. You won't believe him if he tells you Ayla's blood wasn't in his shoes. That she had the flu the week before she went missing. That she drooled excessively (as we've seen in several pictures). Why should he explain himself to you??
Why do you question us on what we think happened? What good are scenarios based on imagination and rumors? What purpose do they serve? (The ones I've seen, on another blog, are cruel and morbid. How do you think that makes Ayla's family feel?)
Why do you want to know what Katie would do? I don't believe anyone could possibly be able to put themselves in that position if It has never happened to them. It's unimaginable to me.
(I won't get into the blood evidence you mentioned!)
PT, sorry I had not seen your comment, but here is your answer.. Yes, Justin knew on the 15th of Dec. 2011 that Trista would be taking little Raymond to see his dad in Machiasport on the17th.
The15th was the day (around 6pm) that Trista had called (actually texted) Justin asking to speak with Ayla, but he would not let her, claiming she was watching “Home Alone”, so she texted him that she would call on the17th after she got back from seeing little Raymond’s dad.
The 15th was also the day that Trista had filed for Parental Rights and Responsibilities. (around noon), but she did not tell Justin this in her later conversations, per Jessica’s advice. They both were living in the Maine Motel at the time.
Oh... I guess I will. I just read that myself. That is what us professional bullshitters call blatant ass covering. Justin has never accused Trista of kidnapping. Her trip to machiasport has been questioned. I wood ask why she wasn't calling Ayla on the 16th. Why would she say I'll call on the 17th when I get back from prison. Better yet, why didn't she say she would stop in to see Ayla at some point in her travels on the 17th? Anyone?
uh...maybe she "did" know Ayla wasn't there at that time. How did she sleep through her phone ringing off the hook, and a 10 month old child in the car? Why did Ron tell Robert not to wake her?
So many changes in their stories, and so much new info 22 months after Ayla disappeared. How can they remember more now after all this time?
Seems like she and Justin communicated an awful lot for people who weren't talking. That's what she said when questioned on the day one. From kjonline:
She told Caron that she and Justin weren't talking and she had filed parental rights and responsibility papers for Ayla.
So.... I guess Justin wasn't lying when he said in his statement that he was in communication with Trista and LE could prove it... Wait, has Justin lied to the public at all that we can prove?
From the timeline: December 15th 2011, 12 pm - Due to her growing concerns of infrequent visitations, lack of communication from Justin, missing doctor visits and Ayla's injuries while under Justin's care (documented with doctors and DHHS) Trista petitioned the Cumberland County Courthouse for parental rights and responsibilities.
But the call about the doctor visit was supposed to be the last time she spoke with Justin:
TR: I uh, had reached out to him on Thursday, the 15th, to see if he was definitely still coming on Friday, and he told me he was definitely not coming, and that was the last that I had spoken with Justin.
Ummm....am I the only one who sees the problem here?
I guess that Jeff is trying to say that those 2 incidents both happened on the 15th. The text about the Dr. visit, and the call/text to talk to Ayla, and her telling Justin that she'd call again on the 17th.
Someone already ask, why not call again on the 16th.
I'm also wondering about the texting. Some people text when they don't have minuets to talk. So was that the case? Why text to talk to Ayla? If she wants to talk to Ayla, why not call? Ayla can't text.
No, they weren't talking with each other. Yet jeff says, "The 15th was also the day that Trista had filed for Parental Rights and Responsibilities., but she did not tell Justin this in her later conversations, per Jessica’s advice." - Later conversations?
So she spoke with him about 6:00pm on the 15th, but had more conversations with Justin after that, and Ayla disappeared on the morning of the 17th. No, they weren't talking for how long before Ayla disappeared?
"...per Jessica’s advice." hhmmm!!!
Okay, as I’ve been quoted on for my numerous times repeating it (haha), “Something is not right!!!”
Thanks A 2 - TR: I uh, had reached out to him on Thursday, the 15th, to see if he was definitely still coming on Friday, and he told me he was definitely not coming.
A1-my point was that she cited missed doctor appointment and lack of communication as reasons for filing. She further says that the doctor appt call was the last time she spoke with Justin. In other words, the last time she spoke to Justin should've been before she filed. We just learned that she spoke to him after.
I'm still wondering though, about her texting to talk to Ayla. She text to say, I'd like to talk to Ayla, put her on the phone please. I'm not buying that.
WOW A1, good point!!! Trista texted Justin asking to speak with Ayla! Too much!
And Ayla was watching "Home Alone", she couldn't take the time and miss any of it to talk to her mother! I always took that as a bad joke from Jeff. Then Trista repeated it months later, and now it is a fact. Come on...toooooo much!!!
So...Trista says "she would call on the17th after she got back from seeing little Raymond’s dad". Come on, what's going on here? Why wasn't this said a year ago!!! Who is "recalling" this information now? I call BS!
I feel it's more likely she asked what Ayla was doing and he replied she was watching the movie and Trista said ok, I'll call her later. Something like that. And the Dr apt conversation.... If Ayla had a scheduled Dr apt and Trista was expecting her to go then why was she asking if he was definitely coming. I remember Heidi or Angela or someone saying that Justin had rescheduled that apt with a specialist in Waterville. I'm assuming her would have told her he was doing that. Why have we only seen the report from Ayla's first appointment with the specialist. Why haven't they released the other report concerning her broken arm. Justin claimed ayla was using the arm and it was pretty much healed. I wonder if the rest of the reports from the specialist in Portland reflect the progress of the arm and a referral to a Dr in Waterville?
Even if anyone tries to ask questions, to get opinions, You attack! OMG Get a grip on reality ! I am not here to fight, or go round and round. I am trying to understand your positions and ask questions. I am undecided and would like all opinions. But you people can't answer. You just jump and attack.
No one has attacked you. It's that you seem to think we should be able to tell you why we believe the way we do. We have no "scenarios" of what we think happened to Ayla. Scenarios are made up, what you think could of happened.
If you look at only the facts we know, it is not possible to know what happened to Ayla. I think any one here will tell you they "don't know what happened to Ayla".
So ask away, but I don't believe you'll get the answer "you want". But, again, nobody has attacked you.
I'm not Katie, but were I Trista, I think I would try to understand Katie's position. She has known Justin for most of their lives. Went to school with him. He dated her best friend. Based on everything she knows about and of Justin she simply can not believe he would hurt Ayla. That's not hard to understand.
Were I Trista, and it was my baby girl, I wouldn't have stated out with a campaign to slander him from the get go. I wouldn't listen to my family, I'd go with what my intuition told me about him. I would have tried to work with him to find out what happened to our baby girl. Later if I found out her blood was in his home, and on his shoes, and I was *POSITIVE* he caused her harm. I'd have my say to him,in private. (and it wouldn't be good)... then- O-nada-, not even a word would I udder to him. I would not press a prosecutor to prosecute him until and only if that prosecutor knew he could get a conviction.
You ask for someone to put themselves in Trista's shoes. You ask that Justin responds to the blood evidence IF he's not guilty. You are slightly condensing. If you were undecided, you wouldn't be volleying for Katie to understand how Trista feels or saying if Justin is innocent he would speak. What are your thoughts on the "Taking of Ayla" article? How do you feel about Trista running off to New York before her baby has been missing 48 hours and declaring her dead? What do you think about her not bring in Waterville where the investigation was happening and searches were taking place for her baby and then lying about why she wasn't there? Why don't you ask some questions that actually pertain to the investigation, anon? If you are truly undecided, please, tell us what you think about the previous questions.
My research is undecided! Trista has not completed a poly and I feel she should take another one. Justin claims he smoked his and McC says he knows how he did because they told him. I do not agree that Trista and Becky should be allowed to get away with not taking a poly. Trista and Jeff are throwing out an awful lot and Justin remains silent. Why? I would love to hear Justin say that he loves Ayla and misses her so much. But yet, he will not speak. I AM NOT picking a side. How can you? If I was being accused of murder, I would be screaming my innocence. I would be searching with all my friends, trying to find her. Trista didn't even go to waterville to search for Ayla. Believe me, I would be there in a second. How does anyone know what is truth and what is not? If the blood in the house is true, and LE doesn't deny it, why isn't Justin speaking and saying that it is not true. Why isn/t Justin speaking for himself? First you hear Trista was in rehab for alcohol and then you see a text admitting she was USING.! So how can I beleive her. That is why I questioned Katie. How can she be so sure of Justin. I just asked the question, trying to understand how she feels about Justin and Trista. What would her instincts be if it was happening to her. Trying to understand more because Katie knows Justin. If I found out my daughters blood was throughout the house, I would be screaming too. But still I can't believe all because Trista has not completed a Poly. It is one hell of a mess. And I was just trying to understand different points of view. Excuse me for questioning. I am trying to understand both views. But it just seems like this is a Trista and Jeff bashing blog and NO ONE can ask opinions of Justin. Why? So who's going to pick this apart first?
Good work Anon. No one wants to pick "your" thoughts apart. No one is bashing anyone, we are just questioning why the story put forth by the maternal family keeps changing.
We have no ill-intent towards anyone. We are only trying to understand. We don't bash anyone!
Now enough is enough! Please stop!!! If you have a differing opinion state it, but quit ragging on commenters here. We have never treated you badly.
Anon, perhaps you should read Katie's posts on j4a. Those would give you a clear idea of how Katie feels. As for Justin speaking, there's nothing any of us can do about that. Someone said he did 16 appearances or statements or interviews or something like that. I started looking for them and found more than I realized he had done. In every one I read or watched he said he loves his daughter and wants her home. Maybe do more research...
Justin has said he loves his daughter and wants her home. I heard him with my own ears, as did many of "Ayla's Angels" if they were paying attention at the last vigil his family had in Waterville.
On the poly... is that really something that would convince you? Because I have to tell you, it's not an exact science. It's been proven that parents of missing children feel an incredible amount of guilt and polygraph tests show inaccurate results because of it. That is why they're not permissable in court as evidence.
If I'm remembering correctly, the parents of the missing girl who was found to be murdered by a sicko neighbor both failed their polygraphs, didn't they? And they had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance or death....just a whole lotta guilt as any good parent would have.
We all would love for Justin to speak up, believe me.
So, we apparently misread your intentions? You seemed to not be very open to discussing this with an open mind, so I apologize for misinterpreting your posts.
Might I suggest picking a name to sign your posts as so we can tell which ones are yours? Thanks.
Dear Betty from Bangor, Read his statements. Go to YouTube and type Justin Dipietro into the search bar. You can also go to the Kennebec Journal online and read their timeline. They mention Justin pleading for his daughters return. He has said it. Get a grip. When you're done maybe you can post a link at u4a for your friends.
I agree. Pouncing on any discrepancy and pronouncing it a lie is a product of either ignorance or maliciousness.
When the response to someone realizing s/he made a mistake and correcting it is to sneer, “see, s/he’s not reliable” that says something about the speaker, not the subject.
LATF, is it possible to make this blog so that people *have* to log in/have an account in order to post? You can make your profile private (as I have), so it's not scary or anything. Otherwise we're going to be overtaken with anons who won't identify themselves.
JANE VELEZ: Amanda, I know she is upset that some people have pointed the finger at her. How far away was she at the time of her daughter`s disappearance?
BENNER: She was miles away. I mean, she was in Portland or South Portland and I`m not sure where she was at that point in time, at that very moment. But she was in South Portland. That`s where she was staying. She had no vehicle. She has no means of getting there. Justin wouldn`t allow her, you know, to see Ayla. And there`s no way at all -- I would bet my life on it, that Trista had nothing to do with any of this. And that`s what`s frustrating, as everyone is saying things about her. Everyone is talking about it, and it is -- I mean, if Ayla went outside with her shoes off, Trista was upset, because she was worried about getting a disease.
Now, now Kitty...I'm not sure you should be taking Amanda's word for anything anymore. The latest word on her is that she's quite the party girl and a drama queen :-)
Dee.. I’ll link it for you :) .. Initially, Amanda was the one who had told Trista about Justins’ trip to Portland (apparently Amanda found out through her relations). It was Trista who asked LE directly if the rumor was true and LE was “surprised that she knew” and relayed to Trista Justin’s reason for going into Portland that day as well as their insights as to why he may have taken that trip..
Trista has also spoken with Justin recently, and he told her the same thing (and I will paraphrase) “I thought you took Ayla”. So at the very least, Justin did not charge his story. .. sorry I meant change :)
I think you should make this blog private so I am not tempted to come and read your bullshit. This blog should go private I second that. You are all a bunch of hypocrits.
A - Nobody is forcing you to come here. But yet here you are ? I dont go to the blogs that upset me. Trust me its alot less aggrivating and an easy fix.
"In a series of emails Thursday, Jeff Hanson shared Trista's story of what happened that morning. Trista and her sister Jessica were staying at the Maine Motel but Trista happened to be en route to Machiasport when the South Portland police came calling at 10 a.m. Jessica was in the motel room. She let the police in and agreed to their searching the room for Ayla.
"It would be another hour and a half before Trista would hear the news. In the meantime, the Portland police had visited her father and searched his home with his consent.
"Trista Reynolds was literally the last person to know that Ayla was missing. On the morning of Dec. 17, 2011, Justin DiPietro reported the child missing at around 8:30 a.m., but it wasn't until nearly noon that day that Trista found out about the disappearance of her 20-month old daughter.
At about 10 a.m., Robert Fortier was nearing Ellsworth during a four-hour drive to see his son, Raymond Fortier -- an inmate at the Downeast Correctional Facility in Machiasport -- when his phone rang, he recalled.
Fortier answered the call and Reynolds told him Ayla was missing. Beside him, Ayla's mother, Trista Reynolds, was asleep in the passenger seat on the long drive to see her then-fiancé. Ronnie Reynolds told Fortier to keep driving to Machiasport until there was more information. By the time they reached Ellsworth, Reynolds called again to say that a detective from Waterville wanted to speak to Trista Reynolds in person.
Tori also wrote an account on the trip to Machiasport. She states that she got the info from the source. (I believe she meant Jeff) She doesn't give a time table. She does not mention Little Ray being along. Tori states that Robert was taking Trista to see her then fiancé. Nothing about taking the baby to see his father. She states that it was Trista's phone that kept ringing. After awhile Robert thought it might be an emergency, so he woke Trista up.
It's odd that no one ever mentions that Trista tries to call Justin that morning. I would have immediately done so, after hearing the news my daughter was missing.
It seems strange to me also. Why wouldn't Jessica call her and tell her Ayla disappeared? Jessica found out before Ron.
Why was she so tired to sleep that soundly?
Remember the first story: Trista's phone kept ringing, Robert, finally answered it thinking it might be important. If true, who was calling her? Was it Justin, LE, who? Why didn't Trista answer her phone?
And what about someone seeing a person with a child wearing a pink coat, in the parking lot of the motel early that morning. Hearsay I know, but I can't totally dismiss it!
Trista had a 10 month old child, yet it appears she stayed up most of the night. She has also stated (on Nancy Grace) about her child not sleeping that late (the morning Ayla was reported missing). But yet, now we hear Raymond was with her and apparently slept from at least 6:00 until 10:00. I mean if a phone ringing and ringing didn't disturb her sleep, would her son wake her up?
I believe she also said "she" was at her motel room the night Ayla disappeared. She never said Jessica was there with her! Why wouldn't she include Jessica in her answer, isn't she an alibi?
Just had a thought! Why did LE go to Ron's house after going to the motel? Why did they ask Ron where Ayla was? Didn't Jessica tell them where Trista was and how to get in touch with her? Didn't Ron tell LE how to get in touch with Trista, he apparently had Robert's cell phone number?
I'm not Jeff or Judy, but Ron Sr. said he last saw Ayla while Trista was in rehab:
REYNOLDS: I saw my granddaughter, which was on a Sunday, when my daughter was in rehab. We hung out together. We walked up to see her mother. We laughed and played. That was the last time that I saw her.
By the way, in hunting for that quote, I found this little nugget:
GRACE: I want to go right now -- OK, hold on, I`m getting another question -- OK, another caller has another question, Trista, about a bone specialist. Did the baby see a bone specialist when she broke her arm?
TIRSTA REYNOLDS: Yes, we took her to Maine orthopedics, right in Portland.
GRACE: And what did they say?
TIRSTA REYNOLDS: They said that at first it seemed to be suspicious, and then they said the way that her arm was broken, it may not have been suspicious and it could have been accidental.
"She was referred to an orthopedic specialist. The doctor “saw the child and stated that he felt that the injuries were not consistent with the description of how the father said they occurred. (The doctor) reported that this was an uncommon break in a 19-month-old child.”
Okay, all of you lovely anonymous repliers here... now do you see why we are here? Can you not see the inconsistencies in the information they throw out there? THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE.
No joke, Kitty. I would have thought with so much blood visible, they would have changed the status, roped off the house and brought in homicide detectives on the first day. I'm going to have to go with the few small drops in the basement and Phoebeslawyers statement that DNA was found but not necessarily blood. Yup, I'm going with that.
I've seen a MSP K9 demonstration (actually, my friend is a MSP w/K9) and they are trained to find drugs, track people, and can smell out cadaver hits as well. I would think that they would use that K9 for all of its abilities while employing it at the crime scene.
What I just do not understand is why those at U4A imply that questions of the DiPietro's are not ask. Most of the post there, as well as comments are filled with questions to and about Justin and the DiPietro family, and Courtney Roberts. Questions about Derek, the Tudela family, Angela, and Phoebe's friend.
Good grief, I can't think of a question that hasn't been ask of them. I can't think of an allegation that hasn't been made of them. I've read more senarios than I care to remember, of how each of them were involved in Ayla's disappearance.
Hay, seems like you at U4A have that all covered every which way. So how can you ask why questions are not ask of Justin and the DiPietro's?
Alright, A1. Let's just get it over with :-) Hey Justin, Courtney, Elisha, Phoebe, Lance, Derek, Heidi, Phoebe's mystery date, and anyone else who has ever known the aforementioned individuals...stop in sometime. We have questions for you.
There. We can get back to business while we wait for their replies.
This is why I started speaking up. Not just "for" Justin, but everyone else in that sentence because I know them all on a personal level. Waterville is q small town. We all grew up together.
That is why I always appreciate all of your post Katie. Why I consider seriously everything that you have to say.
I also live in a small town (well near) , and I know if there is something to know about someone, you're going to hear it, the positive and the negative.
Most of the blood was visible only with luminol. I don't remember seeing the dogs in the house or near the vehicles, I believe they were searching outside for Ayla. So I guess what I am saying as the blood wasn't so noticable at first, but once the Dipietros exited the premises LE was able to do more investigative work inside the home which lead them to believe that Ayla is most probably not alive.
I'm sorry I posted a rather gruesome snip from Chelsea Hoffman, Judy. It wasn't something you needed to read. Lets just say I have "issues" with Ms. Hoffman and her reporting style.
Hey! If Thanksgiving involves sharing a dinner table with Jeff and things are a little frosty between you two...we have a plate for you here in MA!!
"I don't remember seeing the dogs in the house or near the vehicles, I believe they were searching outside for Ayla"
Anonymous do you live on or near Violette Ave? Since you didn't see the dogs in the house or near the vehicles, I assume you live lose by. Did you see or hear anything that night out of the ordinary? Do you know any of the DiPietro's?
I should think that given what was described in the Case For Ayla, that any officer would have seen this visible blood right away, don't you? Enough visible blood that Trista is convinced that Ayla lost her life then and there. She implies that MSP tell her as much. Right? Yet searches are done with K9 dogs, in the neighborhood. WVPD enlist the help of the FBI CARD team, who goes house to house looking for Ayla. Does that make sense to you?
No matter what was discovered, Ayla was not. That is why K9's were used. I've never heard of a missing child case, blood or not, and K9's not being used. You think if blood was discovered, and the child is missing, they are just not going to search for the child? She could have been close by (alive or passed). They still have to search, so yeah it makes perfect sense.
A1...I remember talk of a possible "hit" by a tracking/cadaver dog on the shed that went nowhere.
Why not inside the home?
If it was a "murder scene" apparent by blood seen with the "naked eye" I think an MSP tracking dog would have wagged his tail on Saturday, December 17.
LE has never revealed whether any of the dogs "hit" anywhere. It was rumor, and it's pure speculation as whether any of the dogs hit or not. "Why not inside the home?" No one besides LE knows if the dogs hit. Even the ones outside. It was supposedly a bystander who claimed the dogs were barking near the shed. Is that a "hit" though? It depends on the type of dog, and what the dog was looking for.
I don't think the anonymous knows if the dogs were inside the home or not.
I'm also certain that LE did use cadaver dogs. I think the only ones who know if there was a hit or not anywhere are LE, and the dog's trainer.
I think if there was all this visible blood evidence as described in the Case For Ayla., this case wouldn't have been handled the way it was the first 2 weeks. The FBI CARD team wouldn't have been utilized, and the FBI still involved in this case. I think that if there was all this visible blood evidence, (plus luminol evidence) and LE believed that Ayla was deceased (which they won't confirm) there would have been arrest long ago.
It seems to me that you have asked Trista all the questions that there are out there and either she or Jeff have done their best to explain. Thats a big difference than what you are hearing from the Dipietros. You are hearing absolutely no explanations from them. They are the ones with the answers.
A - Trista is the only one talking - since the Dipietros are not we cant really have a conversation with them or about them other than what is already out there.
The only problem with the Trista side is the answers keep changing.
I DO suggest you pick a name...there are some Anon posters that really are trolls. I don't think you're a troll.
Have you been following this case for any duration of time? That is NOT an attack...just a question. Because you appear to be in the dark re: The Case for Ayla and the details it contains.
Do you think Alex and his mom qualify as "Ayla's family members" and thus were privy to the "unequivocal evidence"?
How about we start there, and see how we do.
BTW...I have no answers and have no side. So we're actually in the same boat.
Attempts to reach Justin DiPietro and Derek Tudela, DiPietro's childhood friend, were unsuccessful. Tudela's mother, Heidi Tudela, would not say whether she refused to review evidence with state police. ___________________________
Would she not say that the evidence was not presented her? Instead, she wouldn't say whether she refused to view it. It looks like she was offered to view it, she didn't deny that. She refused to say if she refused to actually view it.
If someone said "did you refuse to view something?", you most likely would say either, yes I did refuse, no I didn't refuse, I refuse to answer that, or if that scenario didn't happen you'd probably feel relieved to be able to say, I didn't view it because I wasn't given the opportunity. That's my interpretation of her refusal to answer.
I was curious what people outside the blogs are saying about the DHHS suit. This is from over one year ago:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/WGME13/posts/10150522246971981
I think the whole don't you dare question Trista climate is pretty much confined to the blogs which are closely guarded by a defense team of trolls.
When I read the BDN not long ago I saw similar "anti Trista" comments, but really, many of them are simply factual, like these:
DeleteThere is no gossip involved here. There are facts: (1) Ms. Reynolds had a baby, (2) she chose to start taking drugs and alcohol which led to her addiction (3) she gave up her parental rights to the child while she was in rehab (4) the child went missing and (5) she has announced that she is going to sue DHHS. Those are FACTS and not gossip. If there are any of those facts which are inaccurate then by all means, correct me.
February 14, 2012 at 6:11pm · Like · 22
The first person who is responsible for whatever happened to that child is the person who committed whatever unspeakable crime they did against her. Next in line are her parents, who quite honestly abdicated any responsibility whatsoever to protect that child and raise her right. They allowed her to become a pawn in their own game and she was an afterthought. That child did not ask to be brought in to this world and she deserves so much better than what she got. If Ms. Reynolds was that concerned with raising her daughter then she never should have made the CHOICE she did to abuse drugs and alcohol. It is sickening to think that now it supposed to be the fault of the DHHS. Unless she has some relevant information regarding her daughter's disappearance, Ms. Reynolds should really spend more time thinking about her own responsibility in what occurred and less time thinking about who else she can sue. Despicable!
February 14, 2012 at 5:52pm · Like · 34
Interesting, Foil.
DeleteI've been scanning comments from diverse media sources across the nation (San Francisco Chronicle, Chicago Tribune, The Denver Post, and The Boston Herald) to get a "feel" for public sentiment OUTSIDE of the blogs. These are usually AP snips on the case.
I suggest others do the same.
It was apparent to me that the general public is very suspicious about the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Ayla Reynolds.
Still no uptick in the petition support either, Kitty.
DeleteNo ten million unique signatures, A2?
Delete:-)
DeleteStill lacking 315 to get to 2500.
That is damn sad.
I have also noticed similar sentiments....outside of the circle of Trista "associate's" control....
ReplyDeleteI've been seeing that since the beginning. The public opinion is not what u4a perceives it to be.
Deletemountain mama says:
ReplyDeleteOctober 26, 2013 at 9:50 pm
Jeff is it possible for the media or the public to get access to the Lewiston Incident Report? Or will that have to wait for the “proper forum”?
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Jeff Hanson Jeff Hanson says:
October 27, 2013 at 10:47 am
MM; I do not know. I went to Lewiston PD with Trista to obtain them.
As far as the “proper forum”, the records may be committed to another project next week, but will eventually be released here. and J4A.
I guess the proper forum isn't a legal proceeding.
Deleteand how does one commit records?
DeleteProbably handing them over to another person to write another opinion piece under the guise of "investigative journalism."
DeleteOK, seriously, even if you think Justin is guilty as hell, and I do think he is culpable in all of this, but to what extent I do not know, and this is a run on sentence, but, how can anyone think this fashion of public relations and information dissemination is sound and helpful to Trista's case????? Or Ayla????
DeleteI refer to my previous shit stirring comment and questions in the previous post...
DeleteA 2, that makes sense!
DeleteNo licks for me.
DeleteI think Chelsea Hoffman will do a bang-up job. Nothing says credibility like Chelsea Hoffman.
DeleteHaha McKee gets the spoon!
DeleteI DO appreciate that Jeff wants to keep Ayla's name in the news and it gives us something to talk about in the blogs- that's great! But the method and content is what is having me feel licked.
DeleteJust you wait- Aunt Penny will be here to knock that spoon right outta your hand!
DeleteNina, I've been saying for a while that they need qualified help in the PR department. They are hell bent on continuing this way.
DeleteYes you have, A 2. You've been gently and respectfully suggesting it. Now I'm trying the "omg you guys, come on!" approach.
DeleteObscure once posted:
Delete"People want to advocate for a missing child, not live in Trista's bi-polar induced soap opera."
Harsh, but incredibly accurate.
The answer I received at J4A from Jeff was 'at a later date' when I requested more information on the sources (such as the incident report that is a primary source) used by Ms. Simpson to write her editorial and if the documents were accessible for public view. Now it's "I do not know"? ...I love the consistency of answers, it truly builds on one's credibility as a valid source of information.
DeleteConsider this my 'hello' post. Hello : D
Hi Sherlocked, nice to have you visit.
DeleteHey, Sherlocked! Welcome to voices :)
DeleteAh, reading IS fundamental. My mind filtered out the final line of Jeff's reply to MM. Why did my brain do that? I'm not sure. Tired, need coffee, distracted by homework - one of the three or all of the above, feel free to choose which one. A rather poor first impression of me though x.x. Doh. And here I was going for 'intelligent' instead of 'doofus'.
DeleteI think part of it is that I'm chaffing to see something, anything as far as an official LE document in regards to any aspect of Ayla's case. So far it's been a cake of confusion, emotion and opinion. You have a layer of tasty emotional responses (and opinions formed on an emotional basis is rarely guided by logic or facts and it's absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use the facts to change the minds of someone with an emotionally based opinion. This is what I've learned as a skeptical debunker), a layer of 'expert' and 'typical person' conjecture and it's iced with a huge amount of delicious hearsay.
Little to no documented facts that can be viewed, read and used to come to one's conclusion. I do stand by my comment about consistency and credibility though I was wrong in regards to my original impression of Jeff's post and I offer my apologies for my error. Now I'm going to go back to the lurk shadows in shame.
Here is just a taste of why Jeff should tap Chelsea Hoffman:
Delete"The most disturbing evidence is that some of the blood had saliva mixed in it, which indicates to Trista that her daughter suffered before she died. It indicates to me that the girl was bleeding out of her mouth -- either from a wound in her mouth or internal bleeding that she was coughing up while dying. Seeing as though there was blood in the basement, on Justin's shoes and in his truck in large amounts, I am going to allege that this child was suffering from a punctured lung."
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/15502459-was-ayla-reynolds-beaten-to-death
Welcome, Sherlocked :-)
DeleteKitty, Chelsea seems like just the gal for the job. Who can argue with such accurate representations of fact and astute conclusions?
"Who can argue with such accurate representations of fact and astute conclusions?"
Delete_____________
Chelsea is fucking awesome, isn't she, A2? (Feel free to call me out for profanity, LATF...but I truly think Chelsea is fucking something).
Chelsea even alleged her diagnosis of Ayla's "punctured lung" remotely from Nevada.
How cool is that?
Remember folks...Jeff and Trista have both given Chelsea Hoffman "exclusives" to this case.
Barbra Walters must be crying in her Cornflakes.
Yes, awesome, especially after her diagnosis of what killed Ayla. Hope she is sharing her vast knowledge with LE.
DeleteIf you're looking for a well-written, factual article, Chelsea's your "journalist"!!!
Hope she's next in line for the PEN award!
signed:getrealpeople
"Jeff is it possible for the media or the public to get access to the Lewiston Incident Report? Or will that have to wait for the “proper forum”?
ReplyDelete...Oh I'm sure that Jeff has copied all the reports and logs. No telling how many people he has shares them with
I almost wonder of it is available to the public.... I mean, yes, the incident involved the transfer of Ayla but it also concerned Justin and Jessica, not Trista and she was able to get a copy.
DeleteI'm not sure how that works in Maine. In my state, the only ones getting a copy of police incident report is the partys involved, or their attorney.
DeletePerhaps she could, since she is Ayla's mother.
Jeff Hanson says: October 27, 2013 at 4:24 pm
ReplyDeleteTruth is I’m not exactly sure what the legal implications are for blog owners who post private government documents in their forum (no matter where they received them).
Last time I checked, Nina’s blog was still there and she has not been served with a cease and desists (at the very least). Could be just a slap on the wrist:
http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/government/
I’ll have to look into it.
_____________________________
Good grief...
I just removed it. Thanks for looking into that before you gave me permission through your sister Judy to post it.
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DeleteFor the "record" I didn't post an official government document. I posted something copied and pasted forwarded to me by Judy from Jeff. I'm just sick of the bullshit games being played here.
DeleteJeff...I say release all the classified government documents...to hell with the legal ramifications.
DeleteJohn P owns U4A. Let him take the fall...
Foil...the documents that Judy sent to you did not contain ANY official DHHS markings, stamps, or letterhead.
DeleteHearsay...
Exactly, kitty. But his statement shows that he is playing games and knows it.
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Deletehmm..One would think from all of his past dealings and wranglings with other blogs, that he would know exactly what can and cannot be published.
DeleteThe more of their "documents" and"evidence" they leak out to the public, the more they are destroying a case against whomever LE ends up charging. The only crime for sure that we know has been committed is Ayla being taken and hidden. No matter what any of us believe, that is ALL WE KNOW. Why jeopardize a case against whomever has taken this baby??? Why push for prosecution instead of a push for finding this baby??? Why play games?? I am so angry and fed up. This is your daughter, Trista! Help find her!! Stop worrying about Justin and dhhs and do something. Stop letting Jeff speak for you and demand your baby be found. I'm putting myself in the corner. I definitely need a time out...
DeleteI just went back to my old email - it was a cut and paste to me - that I cut and pasted to Nina - it was not an official document. Not going to do that again. I'll just sit and wait for it like everyone else.
DeletePlease don't put yourself in the corner, AFA.
DeleteI believe I speak for others when I say you are a true friend to Ayla.
I'm learning so much from your posts.
Thanks.
AFA,
DeleteDeffinately understand taking the corner when your upset.
Don't be there long though, McKee is right, you are most certainly a great advocate for Ayla.
I as well have learned a lot from you.
Now take a deep breath, and then smile.
oops.. definitely
DeleteAnd definitely agree with your comment.
DeleteNina you didn't do anything wrong. You didn't post an "official government document".
DeleteJeff's comment is just wrong! (Scare tactics/intimidation?) WTH
signed:getrealpeople
Is there room in the corner for two, AFA? I've been on the brink of laying a mushroom cloud up in here for days. All the fresh air and long walks don't seem to be helping.
DeleteThis site is truly evil
ReplyDeleteStick a sock in it, anon. Nobody cares.
DeleteWhat's truly evil is putting false information, innuendo and dangerous rumors out in the public while a baby is missing. That is evil.
DeleteHi Tomato Soup!
DeleteHey, guys! I'll try to behave myself while I'm here. I make no promises!! Mwuahahaha!
DeleteWhat is truly evil is that you AFA are doing nothing to find Ayla. You are here just to shed doubt and cause Trista more misery than she already has. How can you say that Trista is not trying to find her baby. She has been screaming to the world since Ayla went missing. What has Justin done, what have any of them that were responsible for Ayla done? I would say absolutely nothing except keeping their mouths shut so that LE has to really work hard to get to the bottom of this case, they are having to put this case together with no help from the W4. Its disgusting to say the least. LE will figure this case out, LE will find Ayla. And yes, Anon 5:09 I agree wholeheartedly that this blog is trying to defer from the truth. Trying to protect the W4 by knocking Trista, and how is that helping get the truth out of those losers?
DeleteYou have no idea what Justin has said to LE. You have no idea what Trista has said to LE. Trista HAS lied to the public. Show me where Justin has lied to the public. Good luck!
DeleteHey Looking at the Facts!
ReplyDeleteThanks again for creating this home!
A few things...
Can you put a "contact me" button on the site?
Also, can you have one of those things that scrolls the most recent comments?
And finally, can you please remove Anon 5:09's comment? It really doesn't add to the discussion regarding Ayla.
Thanks!
OT: I have a deeper appreciation for why people choose to have "closed" groups.
ReplyDeleteAt face value, I always thought closed groups were highly suspect. I never liked the idea of excluding someone with an opinion to share. All opinions have value.
But with the bullshit I've seen these past weeks I find myself reconsidering my position on the matter. Foil has been driven to close and now wipe her blog off the face of the earth. Trolls are in heat and will hump any moving target. There are at least one or two out there determined to silence those that dare raise questions regarding Justin's absolute and unconditional guilt in the disappearance of his daughter. And those that dare raise questions regarding Trista's absolute and unconditional innocence in the disappearance of her daughter.
A1 said something about me that made me feel REALLY good about myself. She said that if her child were missing, she would want me (and others that question) to be there, asking questions. I feel the same way towards all of you.
I don't know what happened to Ayla.
But I know bullshit when I see it.
I agree, I've been having the same thoughts.
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Maybe we can vote to make this a private blog. Invited readers only. Blogger can do that.
DeleteNina's vote: Make "Voices" private
DeleteI think there may be some lost folks who haven't found their way here yet, along with some lurkers who haven't found their voice yet. I'd hate to see them shut out. Having said that, I'm okay with whatever is decided.
DeleteGood points, A 2. You're right.
DeleteAsking for Ayla already is. If voices goes private people like Penny win and Jeff never has to answer any of this blogs questions. Do you think it is the wise thing to do?
DeleteYou're right, Dana.
DeleteI'm leaning that way too, Foil.
DeleteLooking at the Facts...what do you think?
Damn...this is a tough one. We need more feedback from others. I really hate the idea of shutting out dissenting but respectful voices. Too cliquish for my tastes.
A1, A2, AFA, Oak, Judy, Missy, GRP, Sherlock, Tomato Soup...what are your thoughts? There are pros and cons to this.
But to NEVER see a Pennyauntie post here again makes it worth considering...
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DeleteI am going to take a hiatus from all of this. I have a job, a life and it's taking up too much time and going nowhere. I was reading Obscure's blog earlier and it's like we're going in circles without making any progress. I can't cheat my husband my health my friends anymore.
DeleteGood bye.
That is, going in circles. I love my work and my life and my husband. They need me. I will be back if there is REAL news. Til then, take care.
DeleteYou take care Nina talk to you later.
DeleteWell of course it's up to Looking how she proceeds with her blog.
DeleteMy opinion though is, I'd like to see it remain open to the public.
As A 2 said, there may be some who haven't found their way here, or like to read, but not comment.
I think there is a lot of important and relevant dialogue discussed here.
You never know when something said will cause another to think of something that could lead to a clue about Ayla's disappearance. Or something that causes another to rethink their opinion of something.
McKee, I'm glad that my comment caused you to feel good about yourself.
I think everyone asking questions and looking for answers should feel good about themselves.
It's true, if my child were missing, I'd want ALL of you to be there asking your questions. Looking under every stone, poking your nose into every nook & craney. Not just accepting something as truth, if it doesn't make sense, or somehow seems off to you.
I can not understand why anyone would want it any other way.
why anyone would be against asking questions and searching out the truth.
Take care, Nina. I'll save your spot :-)
DeleteNina, take care :)
DeletePop in once in a while?
signed:getrealpeople
Thanks. And btw, you guys rock. You have taught me how to be a better thinker and a stronger person. I admire your tenacity, brains, brawn and boots. Take care. : )
DeleteYou never know when something said will cause another to think of something that could lead to a clue about Ayla's disappearance.
Delete*****
I'm glad you said this, A1, because its the main reason I keep speaking, even when it seems like we're going in circles.
GRP, I'll try. But I seem to be hooked and need to break my desire to figure out WHERE IS AYLA??? Maybe once I'm not so overworked about it. : )
DeleteAnd yes, you are all doing a service to Ayla. I don't mean to imply your words mean nothing. But as far as what we know, it seems like we're at square one. But what we know we don't know to be true is all because of you. Oh boy, that sounds circular and twisted, but I know you know what I mean!
((( Nina ))) Very, very understood.
DeleteYou have no idea how many times I've said to myself, we just keep going in the same circles over and over again.
You need to take care of yourself and your needs,& those of dear hubby too. I've scolded myself many times for not doing the same.
I am fine with either. If you make it private, I believe that those who aren't part of the approved commenters would get a message to request approval, right?
DeleteI think, at this time, it should be left open. We always have the option open to discuss it again at a later time.
DeleteDoes everyone have rubber boots? I would also recommend investing in some "waders", it's getting pretty deep!
signed:getrealpeople
Holy smokes, Batman! "Foiled" again!!
DeleteYou take care, my friend.
Fingers crossed we'll hear from you before dawn tomorrow.
That last sentence, I'm certain, comes from Ayla Reynolds...
Nina, I understand.
Delete"But as far as what we know, it seems like we're at square one." - Yes, we are.
Same thoughts here, and as A1 says, "You have no idea how many times I've said to myself, we just keep going in the same circles over and over again."
Oh boy, sometimes I wonder why we do it?
signed:getrealpeople
I did that for about 6 months this past winter. Just walked away, occasionally read some pages and continued to mail out Ayla bracelets to different small businesses and charity events. It helped. Then I came back... Now, I wonder why I'm back. I can still do awareness for Ayla without being on the blogs and Facebook pages. Then I remember why I started speaking in the first place.
DeleteA baby is missing. She has not seen her family in nearly two years. No one seems to know what happened to her. Somewhere along the way, a family was thrown under the bus during this investigation. Innocent people from all sides have been torn apart, caused undo pain and unjustly convicted in a public court. The system is failing this baby and both sides of her family. I can't keep my mouth shut about this. I can't just watch and shrug it off. What if this was my child? What if I wake up tomorrow and my baby is gone from his bed and no one believes me? What if I spend two years terrified of what could have happened to him and no one who knows will speak? That's why I'm still here. Rarely saying much but always watching. Always ready to speak. Stay strong ladies. If this can happen in Waterville, Maine> it can happen in your town. I would want a driving force for fairness and truth on my side if my child was missing.
While the tears well, AFA, well said. I couldn't add more
DeleteAFA I second your words. Though my name is known, I've often gone months without speaking. I just feel the round and round is so much. But my babygirl is 3. She's blonde and blue eyes and vibrant. And I look at her and thank god everyday I'm not without her. That I know she's fed and clothed and loved. I couldn't imagine. Id want each and every one of you to drag my name through anything necessary to find my babies. It just breaks my heart to know Ayla is out there somewhere and her family is here missing her. Ayla needs to come home.
DeleteThanks for the pep talk AFA. Very well said. I'm not going anywhere!
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Hm. On one hand, with a closed blog, one wouldn't have to deal with the trolls. This is the only positive I can really think of. I'm probably not the only fence-sitting lurker who just recently decided to start bantering (thanks for the welcomes ( ; ) and it would be a shame to close them out as has been mentioned before. A closed blog would also attract no further attention to Ayla and this I feel it is an important note.
DeleteThe other cons are that closed blogs and forums often attract scrutiny and this is usually for a good reason. The last secret forum I've heard about that made me personally very wary of them shared the names, addresses and phone numbers of a LOT of people - paying customers, it was Paypal details being shared. Hello there, privacy issues! Of course, that's the negative example of a 'secret' forum. Here's the positive: I have a 'secret' forum in my forum for the moderators and myself to discuss matters pertaining to forum maintenance, ban announcements, BOLs for particularly annoying posters that have been flagged.
The only other con I think of is the circles would only get smaller - fresh perspectives are beneficial to anything pertaining to discussion and those often come with new eyes and minds. My official opinion is to keep it open for now.
Justin really needs to speak up. If he is innocent of all these accusations, He needs to speak out for Ayla. Please Justin, explain the blood on your sneakers, bedroom, walls, couch. Why let people accuse. Don't let mama speak. We want to hear your side? Why won't you talk?
ReplyDeleteKatie-your baby girl is 3. She's blonde and blue eyed. She is the love of your life. What IF! God forbid, your daughter went missing, your boyfriend, ex-boyfriend or hubby, was the last to see her. They are discovered with blood on their shoes, vehicle and bedroom splattered. Would you still make statements like you do of their innocence??? Put yourself in Trista's shoes for just a few minutes and explain what you would do, so that we can all understand. Thank you Katie for a few minutes of reflection.
ReplyDeleteI have tried to put myself in tristas shoes. I have stated many times that as a mother i do feel for her. I have put my thoughts out for the world to see on J4A.
DeleteIf either of my children were to come up missing, and there was no body, no obvious murder, I would chose to believe my husband until I no longer had a reason to. Blood tells me nothing. Especially since you cannot tell the age. My children have cuts, scrapes, bloody noses, bloody lips etc often because guess what? They don't live in a bubble. They are children. I am always there with them but they play hard sometimes. Climbing trees, riding bikes, playing tag, running after each other, jumping on and off beds. Blood happens. I was always getting hurt as a child because I was curious and clumsy. I was not abused or murdered. But I know I was a risky kid. My kids fight over toys and someone pulls something out of the others hand and bam, smashed against a mouth and a bloody lip. It happens no matter it they are 18 months or 18 years.
or in a chucky cheese ball pit! She was only with Justin 59 days, so the blood is no older than 59 days. Can't you figure that out on your own!
DeleteA1 says: I can not understand why anyone would want it any other way.
ReplyDeletewhy anyone would be against asking questions and searching out the truth. I am asking questions and I am seeking the truth. Why take offense?
Seeking the truth means questioning what you believe to be true, the things you think you know, and anything not officially released. Are you questioning those things, or are you questioning those who are asking the hard questions?
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DeleteBecause you only question one side. You act as though Trista is incapable of lying and her evidence is real. Everyone here would love to hear from Justin. I couldn't care less about him defending himself. You won't believe him if he tells you Ayla's blood wasn't in his shoes. That she had the flu the week before she went missing. That she drooled excessively (as we've seen in several pictures). Why should he explain himself to you??
DeleteAnon 8:37, what Missy said!
DeleteWhy do you question us on what we think happened? What good are scenarios based on imagination and rumors? What purpose do they serve? (The ones I've seen, on another blog, are cruel and morbid. How do you think that makes Ayla's family feel?)
Why do you want to know what Katie would do? I don't believe anyone could possibly be able to put themselves in that position if It has never happened to them. It's unimaginable to me.
(I won't get into the blood evidence you mentioned!)
signed:getrealpeople
Sigh....anyone want to take this?
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Jeff Hanson says: October 27, 2013 at 8:07 pm
PT, sorry I had not seen your comment, but here is your answer.. Yes, Justin knew on the 15th of Dec. 2011 that Trista would be taking little Raymond to see his dad in Machiasport on the17th.
The15th was the day (around 6pm) that Trista had called (actually texted) Justin asking to speak with Ayla, but he would not let her, claiming she was watching “Home Alone”, so she texted him that she would call on the17th after she got back from seeing little Raymond’s dad.
The 15th was also the day that Trista had filed for Parental Rights and Responsibilities. (around noon), but she did not tell Justin this in her later conversations, per Jessica’s advice. They both were living in the Maine Motel at the time.
Holy shit!!!
DeleteOh... I guess I will. I just read that myself. That is what us professional bullshitters call blatant ass covering. Justin has never accused Trista of kidnapping. Her trip to machiasport has been questioned. I wood ask why she wasn't calling Ayla on the 16th. Why would she say I'll call on the 17th when I get back from prison. Better yet, why didn't she say she would stop in to see Ayla at some point in her travels on the 17th? Anyone?
Deleteuh...maybe she "did" know Ayla wasn't there at that time. How did she sleep through her phone ringing off the hook, and a 10 month old child in the car? Why did Ron tell Robert not to wake her?
DeleteSo many changes in their stories, and so much new info 22 months after Ayla disappeared. How can they remember more now after all this time?
(BTW, welcome tomato soup!)
GRP
Seems like she and Justin communicated an awful lot for people who weren't talking. That's what she said when questioned on the day one. From kjonline:
DeleteShe told Caron that she and Justin weren't talking and she had filed parental rights and responsibility papers for Ayla.
http://www.kjonline.com/news/closer-look-at-cases-earliest-moments_2012-12-17.html?pagenum=2
Again...holy shit!!!
DeleteSo.... I guess Justin wasn't lying when he said in his statement that he was in communication with Trista and LE could prove it... Wait, has Justin lied to the public at all that we can prove?
DeleteI have to think on this new revelation.
DeleteLittle Ray was with her huh?
It gets better....
DeleteFrom the timeline:
December 15th 2011, 12 pm - Due to her growing concerns of infrequent visitations, lack of communication from Justin, missing doctor visits and Ayla's injuries while under Justin's care (documented with doctors and DHHS) Trista petitioned the Cumberland County Courthouse for parental rights and responsibilities.
But the call about the doctor visit was supposed to be the last time she spoke with Justin:
TR: I uh, had reached out to him on Thursday, the 15th, to see if he was definitely still coming on Friday, and he told me he was definitely not coming, and that was the last that I had spoken with Justin.
Ummm....am I the only one who sees the problem here?
"Wait, has Justin lied to the public at all that we can prove?"
DeleteI don't know of a single one.
A 2,
DeleteI guess that Jeff is trying to say that those 2 incidents both happened on the 15th. The text about the Dr. visit, and the call/text to talk to Ayla, and her telling Justin that she'd call again on the 17th.
Someone already ask, why not call again on the 16th.
I'm also wondering about the texting. Some people text when they don't have minuets to talk.
So was that the case? Why text to talk to Ayla? If she wants to talk to Ayla, why not call? Ayla can't text.
No, they weren't talking with each other. Yet jeff says, "The 15th was also the day that Trista had filed for Parental Rights and Responsibilities., but she did not tell Justin this in her later conversations, per Jessica’s advice." - Later conversations?
DeleteSo she spoke with him about 6:00pm on the 15th, but had more conversations with Justin after that, and Ayla disappeared on the morning of the 17th. No, they weren't talking for how long before Ayla disappeared?
"...per Jessica’s advice." hhmmm!!!
Okay, as I’ve been quoted on for my numerous times repeating it (haha), “Something is not right!!!”
GRP
Thanks A 2 - TR: I uh, had reached out to him on Thursday, the 15th, to see if he was definitely still coming on Friday, and he told me he was definitely not coming.
DeleteREALLY!!!
GRP
A1-my point was that she cited missed doctor appointment and lack of communication as reasons for filing. She further says that the doctor appt call was the last time she spoke with Justin. In other words, the last time she spoke to Justin should've been before she filed. We just learned that she spoke to him after.
DeleteYeah A 2, I understand your point now.
DeleteI'm still wondering though, about her texting to talk to Ayla.
She text to say, I'd like to talk to Ayla, put her on the phone please. I'm not buying that.
WOW A1, good point!!! Trista texted Justin asking to speak with Ayla! Too much!
DeleteAnd Ayla was watching "Home Alone", she couldn't take the time and miss any of it to talk to her mother! I always took that as a bad joke from Jeff. Then Trista repeated it months later, and now it is a fact. Come on...toooooo much!!!
GRP
Sounds bizarre to me too, A1.
DeleteThe watching Home Alone thing was mentioned once before, I believe on A4A?
Want to add this to the mix?
DeleteAnswers For Ayla April 27, 2012 2:50 PM
Emerald; The “abduction fear texts” started about a month after Justin had Ayla and ended the day before Ayla went missing.
So...Trista says "she would call on the17th after she got back from seeing little Raymond’s dad". Come on, what's going on here? Why wasn't this said a year ago!!! Who is "recalling" this information now? I call BS!
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Just found where the Home Alone thing was mentioned before....a Chelsea Hoffman story. No wonder I didn't bother to remember :-)
DeleteI feel it's more likely she asked what Ayla was doing and he replied she was watching the movie and Trista said ok, I'll call her later. Something like that. And the Dr apt conversation.... If Ayla had a scheduled Dr apt and Trista was expecting her to go then why was she asking if he was definitely coming. I remember Heidi or Angela or someone saying that Justin had rescheduled that apt with a specialist in Waterville. I'm assuming her would have told her he was doing that. Why have we only seen the report from Ayla's first appointment with the specialist. Why haven't they released the other report concerning her broken arm. Justin claimed ayla was using the arm and it was pretty much healed. I wonder if the rest of the reports from the specialist in Portland reflect the progress of the arm and a referral to a Dr in Waterville?
DeleteGood point tomato soup. I remember something said about rescheduling. So, yes, where are the other reports?
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Oh brother!
ReplyDeleteSo... Trista called, no wait she texted him. (Jeff do you know how to use the "delete" button?)
We now hear baby Raymond was with Trista when she went to Machiasport!!!
Wonder if Robert will give an account to that?
And of course, Justin now has an opening to get rid of Ayla and blame it on Trista, am I correct U4A?
Time to shed the boots and put on the waders!
signed:getrealpeople
Posted in the wrong place. Should be a reply to A2@9:10.
Delete(signed:getrealpeople: from now on I'm signing as GRP)
GRP, I was asking Katie a question. Isn't Katie capable of answering on her own?
ReplyDeleteYes she is, and I certainly wasn't answering for her. Just expressing my thoughts on all your questions to people here.
DeleteGRP
Yes You are answering for her. Cat must have her tongue. hhmmmm
DeleteI asked Katie specifically. And of coarse she couldnt answer herself.
Even if anyone tries to ask questions, to get opinions, You attack! OMG Get a grip on reality ! I am not here to fight, or go round and round. I am trying to understand your positions and ask questions. I am undecided and would like all opinions. But you people can't answer. You just jump and attack.
ReplyDeleteNo one has attacked you. It's that you seem to think we should be able to tell you why we believe the way we do. We have no "scenarios" of what we think happened to Ayla. Scenarios are made up, what you think could of happened.
DeleteIf you look at only the facts we know, it is not possible to know what happened to Ayla. I think any one here will tell you they "don't know what happened to Ayla".
So ask away, but I don't believe you'll get the answer "you want". But, again, nobody has attacked you.
The end!
GRP
Anon@10:08 "I am undecided and would like all opinions".
DeleteA word to the wise, don't read comments on a blog to make a decision on what side you on. This isn't about "sides". It is about what happened to Ayla!
You have a mind, do the research and come to your own conclusions. Don't go by what others think, go by what you think (after doing the research).
GRP
Anonymous 10:08
DeleteI'm not Katie, but were I Trista, I think I would try to understand Katie's position.
She has known Justin for most of their lives. Went to school with him. He dated her best friend. Based on everything she knows about and of Justin she simply can not believe he would hurt Ayla.
That's not hard to understand.
Were I Trista, and it was my baby girl, I wouldn't have stated out with a campaign to slander him from the get go. I wouldn't listen to my family, I'd go with what my intuition told me about him. I would have tried to work with him to find out what happened to our baby girl.
Later if I found out her blood was in his home, and on his shoes, and I was *POSITIVE* he caused her harm. I'd have my say to him,in private. (and it wouldn't be good)... then- O-nada-, not even a word would I udder to him.
I would not press a prosecutor to prosecute him until and only if that prosecutor knew he could get a conviction.
You ask for someone to put themselves in Trista's shoes. You ask that Justin responds to the blood evidence IF he's not guilty. You are slightly condensing. If you were undecided, you wouldn't be volleying for Katie to understand how Trista feels or saying if Justin is innocent he would speak. What are your thoughts on the "Taking of Ayla" article? How do you feel about Trista running off to New York before her baby has been missing 48 hours and declaring her dead? What do you think about her not bring in Waterville where the investigation was happening and searches were taking place for her baby and then lying about why she wasn't there? Why don't you ask some questions that actually pertain to the investigation, anon? If you are truly undecided, please, tell us what you think about the previous questions.
DeleteWell stated A 1 and tomato soup!
DeleteGRP
I never liked tomato soup...until now.
DeleteMy research is undecided! Trista has not completed a poly and I feel she should take another one. Justin claims he smoked his and McC says he knows how he did because they told him. I do not agree that Trista and Becky should be allowed to get away with not taking a poly. Trista and Jeff are throwing out an awful lot and Justin remains silent. Why? I would love to hear Justin say that he loves Ayla and misses her so much. But yet, he will not speak. I AM NOT picking a side. How can you? If I was being accused of murder, I would be screaming my innocence. I would be searching with all my friends, trying to find her. Trista didn't even go to waterville to search for Ayla. Believe me, I would be there in a second. How does anyone know what is truth and what is not? If the blood in the house is true, and LE doesn't deny it, why isn't Justin speaking and saying that it is not true. Why isn/t Justin speaking for himself? First you hear Trista was in rehab for alcohol and then you see a text admitting she was USING.! So how can I beleive her. That is why I questioned Katie. How can she be so sure of Justin. I just asked the question, trying to understand how she feels about Justin and Trista. What would her instincts be if it was happening to her. Trying to understand more because Katie knows Justin. If I found out my daughters blood was throughout the house, I would be screaming too. But still I can't believe all because Trista has not completed a Poly. It is one hell of a mess. And I was just trying to understand different points of view. Excuse me for questioning. I am trying to understand both views. But it just seems like this is a Trista and Jeff bashing blog and NO ONE can ask opinions of Justin. Why? So who's going to pick this apart first?
ReplyDeleteGood work Anon. No one wants to pick "your" thoughts apart. No one is bashing anyone, we are just questioning why the story put forth by the maternal family keeps changing.
DeleteWe have no ill-intent towards anyone. We are only trying to understand. We don't bash anyone!
Now enough is enough! Please stop!!! If you have a differing opinion state it, but quit ragging on commenters here. We have never treated you badly.
GRP
Anon, perhaps you should read Katie's posts on j4a. Those would give you a clear idea of how Katie feels. As for Justin speaking, there's nothing any of us can do about that. Someone said he did 16 appearances or statements or interviews or something like that. I started looking for them and found more than I realized he had done. In every one I read or watched he said he loves his daughter and wants her home. Maybe do more research...
DeleteJustin has said he loves his daughter and wants her home. I heard him with my own ears, as did many of "Ayla's Angels" if they were paying attention at the last vigil his family had in Waterville.
DeleteOn the poly... is that really something that would convince you? Because I have to tell you, it's not an exact science. It's been proven that parents of missing children feel an incredible amount of guilt and polygraph tests show inaccurate results because of it. That is why they're not permissable in court as evidence.
If I'm remembering correctly, the parents of the missing girl who was found to be murdered by a sicko neighbor both failed their polygraphs, didn't they? And they had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance or death....just a whole lotta guilt as any good parent would have.
We all would love for Justin to speak up, believe me.
So, we apparently misread your intentions? You seemed to not be very open to discussing this with an open mind, so I apologize for misinterpreting your posts.
Might I suggest picking a name to sign your posts as so we can tell which ones are yours? Thanks.
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DeleteGood morning, all :-)
ReplyDeleteIt's been a crazy couple of days around here. I'm looking forward to LATF's new post.
I was not ragging on commenters. Enough is enough???? Maybe you should try to be a little less defensive and a little more able to listen.
ReplyDeleteDear Betty from Bangor,
ReplyDeleteRead his statements. Go to YouTube and type Justin Dipietro into the search bar. You can also go to the Kennebec Journal online and read their timeline. They mention Justin pleading for his daughters return. He has said it. Get a grip. When you're done maybe you can post a link at u4a for your friends.
I agree. Pouncing on any discrepancy and pronouncing it a lie is a product of either ignorance or maliciousness.
ReplyDeleteWhen the response to someone realizing s/he made a mistake and correcting it is to sneer, “see, s/he’s not reliable” that says something about the speaker, not the subject.
We’re all human and we all make mistakes.
Who are you talking to?
DeleteLATF, is it possible to make this blog so that people *have* to log in/have an account in order to post? You can make your profile private (as I have), so it's not scary or anything. Otherwise we're going to be overtaken with anons who won't identify themselves.
I believe that's a copy and paste from u4a.
DeleteYep, Soup..may I call you Soup? Anyway, yes. It's a quote from CG on u4a.
DeleteOh okay! Thanks for the clarification.
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DeleteShut up Elisha!
ReplyDeleteJANE VELEZ: Amanda, I know she is upset that some people have pointed the finger at her. How far away was she at the time of her daughter`s disappearance?
ReplyDeleteBENNER: She was miles away. I mean, she was in Portland or South Portland and I`m not sure where she was at that point in time, at that very moment. But she was in South Portland. That`s where she was staying. She had no vehicle. She has no means of getting there. Justin wouldn`t allow her, you know, to see Ayla. And there`s no way at all -- I would bet my life on it, that Trista had nothing to do with any of this. And that`s what`s frustrating, as everyone is saying things about her. Everyone is talking about it, and it is -- I mean, if Ayla went outside with her shoes off, Trista was upset, because she was worried about getting a disease.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/25/ijvm.01.html
Now, now Kitty...I'm not sure you should be taking Amanda's word for anything anymore. The latest word on her is that she's quite the party girl and a drama queen :-)
DeleteWasn't Amanda "linked" by Jeff as part of the "misconstrued" Portland trip, of the disposal of Ayla.
DeleteYeppers, A1 :-)
DeleteAnswers4Ayla says:
DeleteFebruary 16, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Dee.. I’ll link it for you :) .. Initially, Amanda was the one who had told Trista about Justins’ trip to Portland (apparently Amanda found out through her relations). It was Trista who asked LE directly if the rumor was true and LE was “surprised that she knew” and relayed to Trista Justin’s reason for going into Portland that day as well as their insights as to why he may have taken that trip..
Trista has also spoken with Justin recently, and he told her the same thing (and I will paraphrase) “I thought you took Ayla”. So at the very least, Justin did not charge his story. .. sorry I meant change :)
I think you should make this blog private so I am not tempted to come and read your bullshit. This blog should go private I second that. You are all a bunch of hypocrits.
ReplyDeleteA - Nobody is forcing you to come here. But yet here you are ? I dont go to the blogs that upset me. Trust me its alot less aggrivating and an easy fix.
ReplyDeleteFrom Carol Bengle Gilbert:
ReplyDelete"In a series of emails Thursday, Jeff Hanson shared Trista's story of what happened that morning. Trista and her sister Jessica were staying at the Maine Motel but Trista happened to be en route to Machiasport when the South Portland police came calling at 10 a.m. Jessica was in the motel room. She let the police in and agreed to their searching the room for Ayla.
"It would be another hour and a half before Trista would hear the news. In the meantime, the Portland police had visited her father and searched his home with his consent.
http://news.yahoo.com/justin-dipietro-didn-t-tell-trista-reynolds-baby-152200570.html
From Chelsea Hoffman:
"Trista Reynolds was literally the last person to know that Ayla was missing. On the morning of Dec. 17, 2011, Justin DiPietro reported the child missing at around 8:30 a.m., but it wasn't until nearly noon that day that Trista found out about the disappearance of her 20-month old daughter.
http://www.chelseahoffman.com/2012/06/mother-of-ayla-reynolds-speaks-to.html
From the Kennebec Journal:
At about 10 a.m., Robert Fortier was nearing Ellsworth during a four-hour drive to see his son, Raymond Fortier -- an inmate at the Downeast Correctional Facility in Machiasport -- when his phone rang, he recalled.
Fortier answered the call and Reynolds told him Ayla was missing.
Beside him, Ayla's mother, Trista Reynolds, was asleep in the passenger seat on the long drive to see her then-fiancé. Ronnie Reynolds told Fortier to keep driving to Machiasport until there was more information. By the time they reached Ellsworth, Reynolds called again to say that a detective from Waterville wanted to speak to Trista Reynolds in person.
http://www.kjonline.com/news/closer-look-at-cases-earliest-moments_2012-12-17.html?pagenum=full
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Sure sounds to me like Jessica, Ron, and Trista were finding out about Ayla at about the same time that morning.
So why the differing accounts? What gives with the 90 minute to 2 hour gap?
When did Trista and Robert arrive to the WPD?
Tori also wrote an account on the trip to Machiasport. She states that she got the info from the source. (I believe she meant Jeff) She doesn't give a time table. She does not mention Little Ray being along. Tori states that Robert was taking Trista to see her then fiancé. Nothing about taking the baby to see his father.
DeleteShe states that it was Trista's phone that kept ringing. After awhile Robert thought it might be an emergency, so he woke Trista up.
http://justiceforayla.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-happened-morning-of-121711-and.html
No...she makes no mention of Little Ray being in the car.
Delete"Trista was on her way to Machiasport with Robert, who is the father of Ray Sr. and grandfather of Ray Jr., he was bringing her to visit Ray."
Why not "he was bringing THEM to visit Ray?"
It's odd that no one ever mentions that Trista tries to call Justin that morning.
DeleteI would have immediately done so, after hearing the news my daughter was missing.
Yeah, A1. Very, very strange.
DeleteIf I just learned my child went missing while in her father's care, I sure as hell would be on that cell phone trying to get some answers.
I would also be calling the WPD every three minutes for updates while on route from Ellsworth to Waterville.
I still want to know about this 1-2 hour delay in contacting Trista.
DeleteA police officer arrived at Ron's at 9:30 AM. Ron knew Trista was on route to Machiasport and made contact with Robert at approximately 10:00 AM.
Why would Ron tell Robert to keep driving AWAY from Waterville until further notice?
Why wasn't Trista immediately roused from her slumber and informed that Ayla was missing?
Where does this 1-2 hour delay in Trista learning Ayla was missing come into play?
It seems strange to me also. Why wouldn't Jessica call her and tell her Ayla disappeared? Jessica found out before Ron.
DeleteWhy was she so tired to sleep that soundly?
Remember the first story: Trista's phone kept ringing, Robert, finally answered it thinking it might be important. If true, who was calling her? Was it Justin, LE, who? Why didn't Trista answer her phone?
And what about someone seeing a person with a child wearing a pink coat, in the parking lot of the motel early that morning. Hearsay I know, but I can't totally dismiss it!
Trista had a 10 month old child, yet it appears she stayed up most of the night. She has also stated (on Nancy Grace) about her child not sleeping that late (the morning Ayla was reported missing). But yet, now we hear Raymond was with her and apparently slept from at least 6:00 until 10:00. I mean if a phone ringing and ringing didn't disturb her sleep, would her son wake her up?
I believe she also said "she" was at her motel room the night Ayla disappeared. She never said Jessica was there with her! Why wouldn't she include Jessica in her answer, isn't she an alibi?
Oh, my goodness, it's too confusing!!!!
GRP
Just had a thought! Why did LE go to Ron's house after going to the motel? Why did they ask Ron where Ayla was? Didn't Jessica tell them where Trista was and how to get in touch with her? Didn't Ron tell LE how to get in touch with Trista, he apparently had Robert's cell phone number?
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I have a question. It is reported that Becca, Ronnie, and Trista last saw Ayla on November 21.
ReplyDeleteThis "Ronnie" is Trista's brother, correct? Or is it Ron, Sr.? I've seen Ron, Sr. referred to as "Ronnie" at times.
Jeff? Judy? Do you know which Ronnie last saw Ayla on November 21?
TIA!
I'm not Jeff or Judy, but Ron Sr. said he last saw Ayla while Trista was in rehab:
DeleteREYNOLDS: I saw my granddaughter, which was on a Sunday, when my daughter was in rehab. We hung out together. We walked up to see her mother. We laughed and played. That was the last time that I saw her.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/28/ng.01.html
I dont kow which one they are referring to Kitty, Jeff would have to answer that
ReplyDeleteThanks, A2. I saw that too. That is why I wanted to confirm that it was Trista's brother and not her father who last saw Ayla on November 21.
ReplyDeleteGotcha :-)
DeleteBy the way, in hunting for that quote, I found this little nugget:
GRACE: I want to go right now -- OK, hold on, I`m getting another question -- OK, another caller has another question, Trista, about a bone specialist. Did the baby see a bone specialist when she broke her arm?
TIRSTA REYNOLDS: Yes, we took her to Maine orthopedics, right in Portland.
GRACE: And what did they say?
TIRSTA REYNOLDS: They said that at first it seemed to be suspicious, and then they said the way that her arm was broken, it may not have been suspicious and it could have been accidental.
Interesting...
DeleteThat differs slightly from:
"She was referred to an orthopedic specialist. The doctor “saw the child and stated that he felt that the injuries were not consistent with the description of how the father said they occurred. (The doctor) reported that this was an uncommon break in a 19-month-old child.”
R u kidding me
DeleteOkay, all of you lovely anonymous repliers here... now do you see why we are here? Can you not see the inconsistencies in the information they throw out there? THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE.
DeleteWell said, Missy :-)
DeletePolice searched the neighborhood for her all day Saturday, including using a Maine State Police tracking dog.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.pressherald.com/news/Waterville-toddler-missing.html
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I'm no expert on MSP tracking dogs. But I would *think* a police tracking dog might hit on ALL THAT BLOOD THAT WAS VISIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE.
Did the police fail to bring the dog into the home? Or get a whiff inside Justin's vehicle?
No joke, Kitty. I would have thought with so much blood visible, they would have changed the status, roped off the house and brought in homicide detectives on the first day. I'm going to have to go with the few small drops in the basement and Phoebeslawyers statement that DNA was found but not necessarily blood. Yup, I'm going with that.
DeleteAll that visable blood, and the FBI Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team canvasses Waterville neighborhoods, going house to hose.
DeleteCARD Teams are primarily involved in non-family child abductions, ransom child abductions, and mysterious disappearances of children.
I've seen a MSP K9 demonstration (actually, my friend is a MSP w/K9) and they are trained to find drugs, track people, and can smell out cadaver hits as well. I would think that they would use that K9 for all of its abilities while employing it at the crime scene.
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DeleteWhat I just do not understand is why those at U4A imply that questions of the DiPietro's are not ask.
ReplyDeleteMost of the post there, as well as comments are filled with questions to and about Justin and the DiPietro family, and Courtney Roberts.
Questions about Derek, the Tudela family, Angela, and Phoebe's friend.
Good grief, I can't think of a question that hasn't been ask of them. I can't think of an allegation that hasn't been made of them. I've read more senarios than I care to remember, of how each of them were involved in Ayla's disappearance.
Hay, seems like you at U4A have that all covered every which way.
So how can you ask why questions are not ask of Justin and the DiPietro's?
Alright, A1. Let's just get it over with :-)
DeleteHey Justin, Courtney, Elisha, Phoebe, Lance, Derek, Heidi, Phoebe's mystery date, and anyone else who has ever known the aforementioned individuals...stop in sometime. We have questions for you.
There. We can get back to business while we wait for their replies.
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DeleteLOL! Too funny!!!
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This is why I started speaking up. Not just "for" Justin, but everyone else in that sentence because I know them all on a personal level. Waterville is q small town. We all grew up together.
DeleteThat is why I always appreciate all of your post Katie.
DeleteWhy I consider seriously everything that you have to say.
I also live in a small town (well near) , and I know if there is something to know about someone, you're going to hear it, the positive and the negative.
Most of the blood was visible only with luminol. I don't remember seeing the dogs in the house or near the vehicles, I believe they were searching outside for Ayla. So I guess what I am saying as the blood wasn't so noticable at first, but once the Dipietros exited the premises LE was able to do more investigative work inside the home which lead them to believe that Ayla is most probably not alive.
ReplyDeleteAyla’s Blood Found (The blood evidence described here was visible to the naked eye and not luminol enhanced).
Deletehttp://united4ayla.com/the-case-for-ayla/
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You can read it yourself, Anon 5:00.
For the sake of Judy, I'm not going to post these gruesome details.
Once again thank you Kitty :-)
DeleteI'm sorry I posted a rather gruesome snip from Chelsea Hoffman, Judy. It wasn't something you needed to read. Lets just say I have "issues" with Ms. Hoffman and her reporting style.
DeleteHey! If Thanksgiving involves sharing a dinner table with Jeff and things are a little frosty between you two...we have a plate for you here in MA!!
Anonymous @ 5:00 pm,
Delete"I don't remember seeing the dogs in the house or near the vehicles, I believe they were searching outside for Ayla"
Anonymous do you live on or near Violette Ave?
Since you didn't see the dogs in the house or near the vehicles, I assume you live lose by.
Did you see or hear anything that night out of the ordinary?
Do you know any of the DiPietro's?
I should think that given what was described in the Case For Ayla, that any officer would have seen this visible blood right away, don't you?
Enough visible blood that Trista is convinced that Ayla lost her life then and there. She implies that MSP tell her as much. Right?
Yet searches are done with K9 dogs, in the neighborhood.
WVPD enlist the help of the FBI CARD team, who goes house to house looking for Ayla.
Does that make sense to you?
No matter what was discovered, Ayla was not. That is why K9's were used. I've never heard of a missing child case, blood or not, and K9's not being used. You think if blood was discovered, and the child is missing, they are just not going to search for the child? She could have been close by (alive or passed). They still have to search, so yeah it makes perfect sense.
DeleteA1...I remember talk of a possible "hit" by a tracking/cadaver dog on the shed that went nowhere.
DeleteWhy not inside the home?
If it was a "murder scene" apparent by blood seen with the "naked eye" I think an MSP tracking dog would have wagged his tail on Saturday, December 17.
LE has never revealed whether any of the dogs "hit" anywhere. It was rumor, and it's pure speculation as whether any of the dogs hit or not. "Why not inside the home?" No one besides LE knows if the dogs hit. Even the ones outside. It was supposedly a bystander who claimed the dogs were barking near the shed. Is that a "hit" though? It depends on the type of dog, and what the dog was looking for.
DeleteI don't think the anonymous knows if the dogs were inside the home or not.
DeleteI'm also certain that LE did use cadaver dogs. I think the only ones who know if there was a hit or not anywhere are LE, and the dog's trainer.
I think if there was all this visible blood evidence as described in the Case For Ayla., this case wouldn't have been handled the way it was the first 2 weeks. The FBI CARD team wouldn't have been utilized, and the FBI still involved in this case.
I think that if there was all this visible blood evidence, (plus luminol evidence) and LE believed that Ayla was deceased (which they won't confirm) there would have been arrest long ago.
It seems to me that you have asked Trista all the questions that there are out there and either she or Jeff have done their best to explain. Thats a big difference than what you are hearing from the Dipietros. You are hearing absolutely no explanations from them. They are the ones with the answers.
ReplyDeleteA - Trista is the only one talking - since the Dipietros are not we cant really have a conversation with them or about them other than what is already out there.
DeleteThe only problem with the Trista side is the answers keep changing.
Thank you Judy!
DeleteOMG, I told myself I wouldn't respond again, but here I am.
Anon@5:01 - Judy said it very well.
Trista is the only talking, and the story keeps changing, have any ideas on why that is Anon?
As to the DiPietro's, how can we discuss something that isn't said!!!
What is your point??? And please answer my question above.
Not being rude, just trying to understand where you are coming from. Your comments are becoming rather monotonous!
GRP
Yet, I have so many more questions for Trista... and no, they don't answer them all. You're not undecided. You're trolling :)
Deletetomato soup, "You're not undecided. You're trolling"
DeleteI believe you hit it on the nose!
I guess we should ignore the trolls! I really try, but sometimes I have to respond.
I will ignore them!!!!
GRP
Anon 5:01...I don't have a problem with you.
DeleteI DO suggest you pick a name...there are some Anon posters that really are trolls. I don't think you're a troll.
Have you been following this case for any duration of time? That is NOT an attack...just a question. Because you appear to be in the dark re: The Case for Ayla and the details it contains.
Do you think Alex and his mom qualify as "Ayla's family members" and thus were privy to the "unequivocal evidence"?
How about we start there, and see how we do.
BTW...I have no answers and have no side. So we're actually in the same boat.
Best,
Mckeekitty
Scooch over and hand me an oar, Kitty. No answers and no side here, either.
DeleteIs Heidi considered Ayla's family?
DeleteNope.
DeletePlease cite where LE shared the blood detail directly with Heidi.
Attempts to reach Justin DiPietro and Derek Tudela, DiPietro's childhood friend, were unsuccessful. Tudela's mother, Heidi Tudela, would not say whether she refused to review evidence with state police.
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Would she not say that the evidence was not presented her? Instead, she wouldn't say whether she refused to view it. It looks like she was offered to view it, she didn't deny that. She refused to say if she refused to actually view it.
If someone said "did you refuse to view something?", you most likely would say either, yes I did refuse, no I didn't refuse, I refuse to answer that, or if that scenario didn't happen you'd probably feel relieved to be able to say, I didn't view it because I wasn't given the opportunity. That's my interpretation of her refusal to answer.
http://www.kjonline.com/news/maine/Find-Ayla-Reynolds-then-seek-justice-missing-Waterville-girls-grandmother-says.html?pagenum=full