Sorry I haven't been around but I am working on a post today. I just thought I would throw out some food or thought since I haven't had a chance to catch up on everything yet.
When I say custody issues I mean there was not just an issue with one child's custody at the time Ayla disappeared but many forget there were two custody issues going on. As we have heard time and time again Elisha's little girl(I don't want to post her name since she is innocent in all this) was also being disputed over by her parents. Months after Ayla disappeared her mother was granted custody of her with her father getting supervised visits from what we have heard. This was after all this supposed blood evidence was found. This is one thing that has left me almost speechless. If and that is a big if all this blood was found that makes LE believe that Ayla was killed in that house how in the world did Elisha get full custody of her child? I'm working on researching this more but as with all custody proceedings it is hard to find any real links so I am going over what people have said that had first hand knowledge of all this. This may have nothing to do with Ayla going missing but I feel every piece of this puzzle should be looked at. Feel free to discuss either this or any other issues you have been discussing while I catch up and do some research.
I think that is a great point you bring up. IF there is so much evidence inside that home, and LE are so convinced that Ayla came to harm in that home, and that the people who live there are not being honest then how did Elisha get full custody of her daughter? I just don't get it...
ReplyDeleteGreat idea for a post, LATF, and definitely a topic worth exploring. I can't wait to see what you find. Off to do a little digging of my own...
ReplyDeleteThis question has also crossed my mind.
ReplyDeleteI don't think a young child is safe living in a slaughterhouse.
Well they sent a healthy baby to live in that Slauter house what makes you think they wouldn't make the same mistake twice?
DeleteWell anon, Elisha's baby was there long before and has survived...maybe it's not really a slaughterhouse....
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A judge ruled that living in that slaughterhouse was the best possible place for her... crazy judges and dhhs workers...
DeleteI agree Oak, I think Ayla was treated differently than Elisa's baby. That is my theory. Tomato that is just cruel, we are discussing a missing, possibly dead baby. I don't get how people can joke about that. If this blog is just to copy, paste and make fun of UFA your all making yourselves look like Obscure and her once scary blog. It is sad that this blog was started and the only things that are discussed are topics UFA is posting. Maybe the blog owner should work a bit harder to come up with a good topic to discuss.
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DeleteI think the blog owner is doing the best that she can.
If the topics discussed here are not of interest to you, perhaps you should consider starting a blog of your own. That way you can choose the topics you'd like to see discussed.
Anon @ 1:29...I'm pretty sure you must have mis-read/misunderstood my comment...I made no comparison between how Gabby is treated vs. how Ayla is treated....and tomato soup was not being intentionally cruel, they were just throwing some sarcasm out there....
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Along with this issue one thought I have had since the beginning is, was the wrong child taken from that house that night? I hate to even go there but if someone had gone in to take the other little girl from her room and in the dark not knowing Ayla was living there took the wrong child. Once outside in the light of the street lights or a car interior light realized they didn't have the child they went to take. What would one do? Would they risk going back in the house to return the child or would they panic? Then who knows what could happen. I know it is a little far fetched but in this case there are so many what the moments I can't overlook possibilities.
ReplyDeleteThat was my thought at first but have not heard it discussed before now. If it was I missed along the way. Nothing is off topics at this point because nobody really knows or nobody is saying.
DeleteAlso one thing I been thinking that Phoebe maybe was the one that removed Ayla that night because she felt neither Justin or Trista were fit parents. She helped Justin get Ayla but after watching him with her, she felt she had made a mistake and did not want Ayla going back to Trista so went in after everyone was asleep and took Ayla. That would explain why she lied at first that she was home thinking nobody would think she took her. Phoebe did not think about all the blood around the house as a problem because the police would think it was abduction. Bamm the police find all the blood thinking Ayla was killed in the house so now everyone looks guilty. It would explain people saying Phoebe was seen in the early morning hours around the house with other people and a small child. I am not saying this happen as I am like LATF, just looking at other objections to why all involved may be acting the way they are. Maybe Justin, Elisha and Courtney do not know anything. Maybe the blood was the result of Justin hitting Ayla around but he did not kill her. Maybe Phoebe had to control all of it and end the problem, the problem being Ayla. Maybe Phoebe started with good intentions but Justin was not doing a good job at being a father and she fixed it the only way she could. Maybe the police can not arrest anyone because they are as confused with this family as we are. Go ahead and rip me a new one because I sleep all day and work all night so will not be on here until later tonight. I just can not get this out of my head and sure not going to put it on any other blog because it is not Trista approved. You people have been more sane then the rest and I enjoy reading your side. Mine may be crazier then some but nothing is sit in stone yet. Please pray for Ayla to be found no matter why she is missing. Ayla deserves more then a name on a blog.
I don't think there's anything wrong with offering up your theory, but it does read like a novel. However, if we close our eyes to possible scenarios, we're no different than any other blog that will only see one conclusion.
DeleteI do pray she is found, that the truth is revealed soon, and that she is alive and well.
One more thing....would you mind using paragraphs? It's much easier to read a post with paragraphs. Nene at u4a never uses them and I always end up reading her first and last sentence only. Of course she tends to say the same things anyway, but I might read it if she used paragraphs. Maybe. Eh, maybe not ;)
Gwen I dont think its so far fetched... since I believe she was taken it makes sense it was someone from the household. Justin may have suspected her / or someone he knew in the beginning because he asked for the person who took her to get immunity if they brought Ayla back.
DeleteSomeone thought they were protecting her. And they knew Trista had filed to get her back.
Sorry I will space from now on.
DeleteI think someone will hit the head on the hammer but we might never know when they do.
I also believe even if they find Alya there will still be no arrest unless someone tells. Too many people getting away with murder even in this day and age of advanced science.
But I want Ayla found no matter the outcome. It is only fair to her to not be out there with nobody. She deserves so much more then this.
I agree Gwen i feel the same way
DeleteAyla deserves to be found and her truth to be told. And if she is dead at the hands of another (ugh, it hurts my head even considering that, she looks so much like my goddaughter), then she deserves the best justice we can give her. This is my perspective, it always has been.
DeleteWith the way things are now and with some people pushing for justice, it reminds me of Caylee's case. Most people (bloggers, experts, etc) who followed the trial thought it was "in the bag" with all of the very well documented and verified evidence that came from official mouths. Heartbreak and shattered hope was the result, it took a huge toll on people who cared about her, cared for her justice.
I don't want to see what happened to Caylee to happen to Ayla. I don't. I don't want any doubts or questions. Obviously there are still doubt and questions in Ayla's case and if we ask questions and have doubts, so will the jury. It's not ready for trial and the people who are rushing it need to slow down.
I couldn't agree more, Sherlocked. If LE isn't making an arrest, they have a good reason. Too many people getting away with crimes and too many people locked up for a crime they didn't commit. It happens.
DeleteI also agree! I will never get over the Casey Anthony case what a travesty of justince.
DeleteJustice even
DeleteJudy, google Corrine Erstad. There are good reasons why LE shouldn't make arrests unless they have an airtight case. Riley Fox case is another reason LE needs to explore all possibilities. These cases are not as cut and dry as the general public believes and LE can't afford to make decisions based on emotions, which is much of what happens in the public.
DeleteI think your going to find Pheobe masterminded the whole custody thing with Elisha also. She has connections or dirt on everyone up there in Waterville. Nobody can mess with her. Sorry for the sarcasm.
ReplyDeleteWell of course she is the Godfather of DHHS Sorry couldn't resist
DeleteSomehow my theory doesnt look so ridiculous after reading what that woman can do lol
DeleteI bet she has a cape...a furry one, that matches her boots.
DeleteLOL
DeleteIs DHHS privy to evidence in a case that is still under police investigation? On one hand I don't think LE would allow a child to live where another child was possibly murdered. Would they? Technically they would be considered mandated reporters, and they must have some type of close professional relationship with DHHS. Obviously, I don't know all the in's and out's of DHHS and LE, so don't shoot for asking these questions. On the other hand, even if they thought another child was possibly murdered, or gravely injured, abused, or anything else, and there is an open investigation, and they don't actually have the child in question, nor do they know who harmed the child, how would they proceed? Would they have to reveal all of their investigative details, which the possible suspects may then become privy to? I don't think other children would be left to the sharks so to speak, but I'm not sure how the authorities would proceed in such a case. Does anyone have any insight into this?
ReplyDeleteI've seen children removed immediately because of evidence found during a drug bust. I think, and this is only my opinion, that if LE truly believed that someone in that house killed Ayla or harmed her so severely to cause as much bloodshed as Trista describes, Elisha would not have custody of her daughter. Nor would Elisha be allowed to continue a job caring for other children. If there was even an accusation made against her she would have to notify her employer.
DeleteThis leads me to mention Trista's complaint that no background checks were made on the people living in the house. First, no background checks were necessary. Ayla was going to live with her father. Second, Phoebe and Elisha both work in jobs that require background checks. Just knowing where they are employed would say they had clear backgrounds to be around Ayla.
That makes sense AFA. If LE really thought a child was tortured and killed in that household, how could they let Elisha keep her child there ?
DeleteI agree, AFA.
DeleteGood point about the background checks, too.
I believe that if LE thought there was a problem with Elisha having custody of her daughter and them living with Phoebe,.....all it would take would be a certain LE agent whispering in the judges ear.
Deletewrong A 1. They have to be willing to press charges before anything can happen. All they hope is that they love Gabby more than they (obviously) loved Ayla. With the blood of Ayla there (and apparently no Gabby blood), their love of Gabby over Ayla is pretty evident.
DeleteWrong? Says you. I disagree.
DeleteThey have a sworn duty to report suspected child abuse...so if the Dipietro house was considered a "slaughterhouse" because of all the blood (visible, mind you) they would have to report that to DHHS and Gabby would have been removed so quick Elisha could have screen tested for an Exorcist remake...
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I agree with A1 and Oak (LOL Exorcist)
DeleteThere is just no way you can convince me it LE thought someone abused Ayla and killed her in that house -that LE would just sit back and take no action at all.
no action regarding Elishas baby I mean
DeleteOT:
ReplyDelete"Yes, Justin knew on the 15th of Dec. 2011 that Trista would be taking little Raymond to see his dad in Machiasport on the17th.
"The15th was the day (around 6pm) that Trista had called (actually texted) Justin asking to speak with Ayla, but he would not let her, claiming she was watching “Home Alone”, so she texted him that she would call on the17th after she got back from seeing little Raymond’s dad.
"The 15th was also the day that Trista had filed for Parental Rights and Responsibilities. (around noon), but she did not tell Justin this in her later conversations, per Jessica’s advice. They both were living in the Maine Motel at the time.
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Wasn't the 15th also the date that Justin told Trista he wouldn't be taking Ayla to her Friday doctor appointment?
Sounds like Justin and Trista were communicating that day.
The trouble I see here Mckee is, once again, you are doing something I like to call "thinking" and obviously in this case, "thinking" leads to logical conclusions.....
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You awful, terrible thinkers. Stop thinking so much and drink this Kool-Aid, it helps remove critical thinking skill AND places a nano-chip in your head to keep you from straying too far from the complex .
DeleteThat'll show those logical conclusions what's what. : )
Thinking is evil. That's why this blog is evil.
DeleteThanks, guys!
DeleteI recall that Justin and Ronnie were friends. If Jessica knew Trista had filed the papers on the 15h, I wonder if Ronnie did too. Ronnie may have tipped Justin off...
But back to the original question: I think the investigators would have had a problem with Elisha's daughter returning to 29 Violette if their findings indicated a "murder scene."
I don't think there was an issue with communication.
DeleteI don't think Trista was worried about Ayla's well being either.
It appears Trista was fine with their agreement up until Justin told Trista he was going to file for legal custody of Ayla.
Which she stated was that last week before Ayla disappeared.
Why is she even telling Justin about this trip to Machiasport?
I agree, A1.
DeleteIf Justin knew that Trista was travelling to Machiasport, why did LE have to learn about it from Ron and Jessica later that morning?
I believe that if investigators really thought that a child was brutally murdered or that a horrific accident occurred and the adults in the home refused to call for help, there is no way in hell they would allow another child to live in that home.
DeleteA1-I concur....
I think she mentioned the Machiasport trip to see if she could get a rise out of Justin...I think Trista purposely has tried and continues to try to get Justin to respond to her anyway she can.
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Kitty, yes. That was the day of Trista learned Justin wasn't coming for the doctor appointment. It's also the day of Justin's last "abduction fear" text. That means something-I just don't know what.
Delete"I believe that if investigators really thought that a child was brutally murdered or that a horrific accident occurred and the adults in the home refused to call for help, there is no way in hell they would allow another child to live in that home.:"
DeleteWrong. Knowing and proving can be two different things. Sometimes they know and can't do anything about it. You are idealizing a situation. Yes, ideally the police could not leave someone in potential danger, but in reality they have no choice. You are letting your ideal mind overrule your logical sense.
Just because the police have not arrested any of the three adults in the house where Ayla was harmed, does not mean they don't know it happened. Without naming suspects, arresting suspects and having said suspects convicted, there is no choice but to leave Gabby in danger and hope nothing happens. That's reality.
A - I dont know that I agree with that - If there was all the "blood splatter" and "blood evidence" they say they found in that house - it would seem the father of Elisha's child could use that fact to get custody of the his child. As it would appear to be an "unsafe" environment.
DeleteUnless the "blood evidence" has been overstated.
LE officers are mandated to report even *suspicions*.
Deleteof abuse.
I do not believe that in a case, as said in the quote above:
"a child was brutally murdered or that a horrific accident occurred and the adults in the home refused to call for help"
That LE would do nothing to protect any other children in that same home, same suspects.
A2...I forgot that the 15th was the last "abduction fear" text from Justin. Goodness...there was lots of communication that day.
DeleteKitty, I know I'm stuck on that "abduction fear" text, but I can't help but wonder how that fit in with Trista telling Justin about the Machiasport trip, saying she'd call on the 17th, Justin telling her he was not coming for the doctor's appt, and Trista filing that day. It all goes together somehow.
DeleteYou may have something there, A 2.
DeleteBut, I'm not sure I believe Trista told Justin about going to Machiasport. That whole story doesn't sit right with me.
I want to know why Trista was so tired. Was she up all night? She had a 9 month old child with her. Maybe she turned her phone off (hence the story changing to Ron calling Robert's cell phone). Maybe she knew Justin would be calling her? Maybe she never expected Justin to call the police?
I don't know??? But I do wonder why we are now, 22 months later, being told this stuff when these questions have been asked all along! And what ever has been answered in the past has now changed? I just don't get it!!!
Did Robert go pick Trista up in Portland?
GRP
GRP...I don't believe Justin knew about the Machiasport trip.
DeleteLE was looking for Trista (and Ayla) at Ron's house and Jessica's motel room. I'm sure one of the first questions LE tossed out to Justin at 8:30 AM was "where is Trista?"
Why didn't Justin say, "on her way to Machiasport."
I don't know much about the father, or his family, of Elisha's daughter.
ReplyDeleteI read a little about them long ago, and it seemed there were some unhealthy issues. Would one of them entertain the idea of taking her,? I don't know.
Since Ayla was sleeping alone in the room she shared with her cousin, I don't think it is out of the realm that someone could have mistaken the two.
A1....Justin Linnell allegedly made some frightening threats against Phoebe and Elisha in the past. He was served with a restraining order.
DeleteJL posted on his FB page a while back that he found out Elisha blew pot smoke on their daughter's face to facilitate sleep. Again...it was a FB post, so take it with a grain of salt.
According to Ashley P., JL's cousin, he now has supervised visits with his daughter.
So he knows his way around the house - but I cant believe he would mistake his own daughter for Ayla - Its seems weird to me Elisha had her daughter in bed with her that night -kind of conveninent - I wonder if that happened a lot or was it unusual ?
DeleteMcKee,
DeleteI remember having read those same things.
The fact that Justin has supervised visits speaks volumes to me. Although that doesn't mean he would try to abduct his child.
Judy,
I don't know if it's a habit or not for Elisha's daughter to sleep with her, or to make her way there at night. When mine were toddlers it wouldn't have been unusual to find one of them in bed with me. If one of them was sick, or not feeling well, it made for a more restful night for the everyone. At times one of them might have a restless night and just make their way to our bed. At our home it would not have been unusual.
The Aunt, Selena, I think mentioned that it wasn't unusual for Gabby to sleep with her mother.
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DeleteJ. REYNOLDS: He was holding Ayla, and they fell up like two or three little steps. And he fell on top of her and her arm was broken. And he waited over -- almost 24 hours to bring her to the emergency room. I want reasons -- I want to know -- reasons to why -- why do you wait almost 24 hours to bring a child who he, himself, told me she screamed bloody murder when they fell.
ReplyDeletehttp://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/20/ijvm.01.html
TRISTA REYNOLDS: A few weeks ago, Justin had given me a call and said that he was holding Ayla and they fell up, like, two or three little steps, and he fell on top of her and her arm was broken. And he waited over -- almost 24 hours to bring her to the emergency room.
I want -- I want reasons -- I want to know reasons to why -- why do you wait almost 24 hours to bring a child to -- he himself told me she screamed bloody murder when they fell, so you wait almost 24 hours to go have her checked out?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/26/ng.01.html
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These are two separate CNN segments.
Why are Jessica and Trista reading from the same script...almost, but not entirely, verbatim?
WTF? Sure sounds like they want to keep their story straight...to the very word.
Hhmmm...yes it does!
DeleteInteresting. Nice work mckeekitty.
GRP
Interesting indeed.
DeleteWhy would Justin even call Jessica and explain his falling with Ayla? I doubt that he did.
Thanks, GRP!
DeleteI think Jessica holds great influence over Trista. Jessica gave her account to Nancy Grace...then passed the same recital piece over to Trista to perform.
Most of this DHHS bullshit originates from Jessica.
Smell something funny?
To quote Kitty, holy shit!
DeleteFrom the transcript you posted: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/20/ijvm.01.html
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"T. REYNOLDS: I guess I just want to, like -- I want to pick her up and I want to hold her, and I just want to tell her, like, she`s going to be OK. And I just -- I want to see her face. I want to see her eyes. I want to feel her touch. I want to -- I want to tell her I love her. And I feel like I can`t protect her right now.
This whole comment seems odd to me, but especially this part "...and I just want to tell her, like, she`s going to be OK."
GRP
Don't know where all those spaces came from in my previous post!
DeleteGRP
mckeekitty, Yes I believe Jessica has much influence with Trista, she is her "big" sister, and she apparently has had dealings with DHHS. I believe she was very attached to Ayla, and didn't want to see her go the way her children did.
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Nothing would surprise me at this point but if I had to give a theory right now, I'd say that Jessica has something to do with this. Ayla is alive out there and those sisters know where she is, I think. They may not be brilliant scholars or public speakers but they are street smart and they are survivors. They keep unsavory company. They are working too hard at protecting Jessica and Trista right now.
Deletetomato soup, exactly my thoughts! They are street smart. I've always thought Jessica was involved, and Trista knows, so she must have approved it! That makes her involved also.
DeleteI think they just never thought things would go the way they have. Now Trista can't risk even seeing Ayla. It's been almost two years, what does Ayla remember about her family?
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GRP
Kitty...damn...exactly like a script. Wow.
DeleteGRP...those words you posted-she's said those same things almost verbatim at various times.
Wow
I have thought for a while that they didn't think it would go this way. The abduction texts, Justin was afraid they would take Ayla. Trista admitted early on that he thought she would be the one to take her from him.
DeleteThe call to Derek before 911, Derek is Justin's best friend. He would have told him about his fears and anything Trista said. I wouldn't doubt he wanted Derek to go with him to get his daughter back.
Call to Phoebe, probably a call to ask what to do. Tell her she's gone and ask if she had come to the house and maybe taken Ayla to the store or something while they were sleeping.
911 call, LE won't release it. Why? Justin must likely tells them Trista has taken Ayla and probably mentions some details they don't want the public to know.
Trista doesn't stay in the Waterville area in the early days of the investigation. She's out of the state for most of the first week. Jessica is still in New York into January. On day two, Trista declares Ayla dead. The lies start immediately. Jessica also makes her first accusation against Justin in the first few days.
There's so much more. Even if I wrote a whole post I couldn't cover all of it. Add on the lie about talking to Justin, the script following by the sisters and the discrepancies in Trista's stories...
Sounds like scenerio's to me. OMG Wants Derek to go with him to get his daughter back???!!! You people are such comedians. Blood, Blood, Blood. Karma will come to Justin.
Deletetomato soup, I think just just like you!
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Anon, we don't believe the blood. At least there's a few of us who don't believe the blood. If you do, good for you.
DeleteOnly Dips and Friends are saying there was no blood. So, this is where JSTL has taken up residence.
DeleteHas it ever occurred to you that more than just Justin's friends think Trista is a liar? Go on some national news sites and read the comments. Watch some of the videos on YouTube and read the comments. Go to Waterville and hear what people have to say. I assure you, Obscure isn't here. Boy, don't I wish she/he were. Public perception is not what you think it is. The only place you find that way of thinking is on the pages surrounding Trista. Look carefully, it's the same few people commenting. It's not the whole world against Justin. It's Trista's world against looking for a live baby.
DeleteInteresting that neither of the ventriloquist sisters brings up the doctor's report "that this was an uncommon break in a 19-month-old child."
DeleteInteresting that we have seen all of the Dr reports except one. The alleged leg injury, the ER visit and the first appointment to the specialist but not the appointment on the 21st of November. The appointment that would tell us how Ayla's arm was healing and may or may not have the information of the rescheduling of the December appointment. Why release everything but that?
Deletetomato soup,
DeleteThe Orthopedic report for Nov. 21 is available.
@ U4A,
Click on Ayla's links, Answers for Ayla- timeline
page 2, scroll down to Nov. 21, 2 pm. click on doctors appointment.
It says that Ayla has basically healed the injury. X-rays were taken, and she should stay in the splint for another 10 days or so.
There is a notation on the bottom of the report that indicates the next appointment would have been 12-16-11.
The report indicates that Ayla would have only needed to be in the splint for another 10 days, or so.
Which always made me wonder why in the world she was reported missing, as having been in the soft cast, and dling.
We have all this" visible blood" evidence, that leads Trista to believe that "unequivocally" shpws Ayla is deceased. She maintains that MSP has told her as much.
ReplyDeleteAll this visible blood evidence that had to of been seen from the beginning of the investigation.
Yet a month into the investigation MSP has Trista, her mother, and brother take a polygraph test.
From Trista we learn that most of the questions ask her pertain to Ayla having been abducted.
....Reporter: Both parents say they have taken polygraph tests. Ayla's mother, TR, says she took hers on Wednesday, answering hours of questions about Ayla's disappearance.
TR: "Just, you know, if I had taken Ayla or if I know who could have gone and taken Ayla, and obviously no. I have no idea who took her or where she is or anything, like. And I never took her. Like, I have no reason to hide any of that. Like, I would never do that".
http://www.today.com/id/46070009/ns/today-today_people/#.UnBkWYwo61t
All this visible blood evidence and MSP is questioning Trista a month later about abducting Ayla. Who did not finish the polygraph, or ever retake it.
The more I think about, the less I believe what was in the Case For Ayla,.
Concerning the polygraph, didn't Trista say her family wanted to take one. It was a mutual thing, LE asked them if they would, and they wanted to, but yet Jessica never took one. Trista and Becca couldn't complete theirs, and Ronnie, Jr. was said to have "passed" his. (And they had researched the subject, as posted on Jeff's website for Ayla, after Trista took it!)
DeleteI think something isn't right here!!!
GRP
Why would LE be asking Trista if she took Ayla, or had any idea of who did, if they had already found the "unequivocal" blood evidence Trista just leaked?
DeleteI'm thinking you all may be on to something.....guess once the "others" start commenting and back pedaling it will become clearer...
DeleteFrom the Case for Ayla:
DeleteThey provided comparison photos (normal and enlarged sizes of Ayla’s blood) displayed from a laptop to an external display screen.
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Just wondering...we heard things like "fist size stain," " silver dollar sized-stain," "up to a dime in size." Are those "measurements" from the normal or the enlarged photos?
Sorry, A2. Seeing as I'm not convinced these photos even exist, I can't entertain your question.
DeletePerhaps Alex and his mom can address it.
Better yet...run it by Steve McCausland.
Better yet...run it by Steve McCausland.
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Those are investigative details we're not going to get into. :-)
8:48 Trista definately keeps unsavory company. Justin included.
ReplyDeleteYou women are dispicable. Judgement day will come soon enough. You best start praying for your souls!
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure God is okay with me looking for the truth before hanging a man in the town square. Thanks for your concern, though.
DeleteLOL!
DeleteExcellent comeback, A2!
I'm thinking my soul is less in danger than those that have Justin tried and convicted already without the benefit of the courts.....or than those that have called him everything from a woman beater to baby killer without him even having been charged for these crimes...
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A- I don't believe in that shit so go take your judgment and bible and shove it up your hypocritical ass.
DeleteI'm saving my ammo for the zombies - the hell with judgement day
You are one hot spit, Judy!
DeleteWhere's the filter when you need it!
DeleteI'll bet that person doesn't even put their shopping cart back - I bet they cram it up at the head of their car and take off.
DeleteI always put mine where it belongs in the cart rack! Who's more godly now!
LOL!!!!!!
DeleteFrom the Case for Ayla:
ReplyDeleteMSP told Trista that they reviewed this evidence with the DiPietro family in November 2012. MSP stated that “Justin had no reaction.” In a subsequent conversation between Justin and Trista, Justin said about this evidence: “It’s no big deal”.
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In all the interviews Trista has given these past six weeks not ONCE does she drop this juicy morsel.
The MSP sure does share every nuance of this investigation with Trista Reynolds.
It also appears that Justin was still speaking to Trista. So much for hiding.
DeleteThis is my personal favorite:
ReplyDelete"Trista Reynolds said that although police haven’t confirmed it, she is not a suspect. She said part of the reason for that is that police have told her things about the investigation."
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/15/news/state/aylas-mother-going-on-offensive-in-search-for-missing-girl/
Am I reading this straight - nobody passed the lie detector test for whatever reason/s but Ronnie Jr ?
ReplyDeleteSince they cant use them in a court of law I guess it doesn't mean much. I wonder why they bother to do them in the first place.
ReplyDeleteKitty - Trista has not been ruled out as a suspect - I believe they have asked LE to confirm it but LE will not.
ReplyDeleteI am still trying to contemplate the scenario where Jessica and Trista take Ayla -
Tomato Soup -Trista doesn't stay in the Waterville area in the early days of the investigation. She's out of the state for most of the first week. Jessica is still in New York into January. On day two, Trista declares Ayla dead. The lies start immediately. Jessica also makes her first accusation against Justin in the first few days
Where did this information come from ?
Judy, I think that may refer to making media rounds?
ReplyDelete~Scout
Thanks Scout :-) - it sounded like the were on holiday or something - yes the media interviews I remember that now.
ReplyDeleteJessica and Trista take Ayla or have one of their unsavory friends take Ayla as was stated somewhere up above?
In my opinion they could never keep the secret - and quite frankly I don't think they could have even pulled it off. They didn't even have transportation. They were bouncing a phone back and forth between the two of them.
If they took her why not just bring her home. Why try to hide her? She could have kept her until it went to court Ayla was her daughter.
Why didn't Justin call her and ask her if she took her? When he got up and found her missing he called his mom and his friend but not Trista.
Did he call her or text her asking her where Ayla was? Did he think right away it was Trista who took her? Trista had texted him two days earlier so he knew how to reach her didn't he?
Nothing makes sense to me. But I have a hard time buying that scenario - throw in the reward money and anyone helping would have jumped ship for that. imo
Morning Judy :-)
DeleteI don't know whether Trista or Jessica could've pulled this off, either, but I get why Justin wouldn't call Trista if he thought she took her.
If someone actually creeps into your house in the middle of the night to take your child, that's a whole different level of crazy. It's downright psychotic! I think I'd want some LE assistance on that one :-)
As to why they wouldn't bring her home? Well, even if it was Trista, she'd be looking at breaking and entering charges at the very least. Also, a crazy move like that would all but guarantee a loss of parental rights.
I believe *if* Trista was behind this, she never expected Justin to call the police. She'd probably expect Justin to call her directly, then she could say "ha, ha, I got her back, whatcha gonna do about it?" and they'd continue the same back and forth fighting that seems to have been the norm for them at the time.
Having said all that, I don't know if I really believe any of it actually happened. :-)
A2 Good Morning!
ReplyDeleteI getcha, I guess I am putting myself in his shoes - I would call around first which he did, but for some reason didnt call Trista. I think i would have called her or texted her - AND still called the police. Thats just me.
I know this is going to sound bad but its just the truth as i know it. - those woman - Becky, Jessica, Trista - cannot even keep a roof over their head, without a man. They just cant.
When i try and think of them actually trying to go in and take Ayla all i can think of is the 3 stooges. I just cant see it happening. Wether it be just Jessica or all of them or two of them. I dont think they are capable. And I'm not saying they are dumb. Just not capable.
I could be way off. This is only my opinion. I just cant see it.
And i see you eyeballing my bean bag .. dont even think about it.
Fine, keep your damned bean bag. I hope it rips and you're plagued with thousands of little foam beans sticking to you like flypaper :-P
Delete(Had that happen once-what a mess!)
I hear what you're saying about the women not being capable, but I can't help but consider the drug factor. I don't care what anyone says about Trista being "sober" when Ayla went missing. IMO, that girl was on something, and we all know that f'd up people do f'd up things. That's just a fact.
LOL I'm waiting for someone to sabotage it.
ReplyDeleteYour right about the drug factor I totally agree you cant trust what someone would do under the influence, that being said why would she bother to get her legally by filing then turn around and steal her? Not that anything she does would make sense if she was using.
Even if I thought they were capable of taking her - there is no way in hell I would believe they could hide her for 2 years. No wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy hozayyyyyyyyyy.
The circle of " unsavory friends" would have called for the reward monies. They just could not keep it a secret. People that live in that kind of lifestyle would turn their own mother in for a fix.
Anyway i certainly respect the fact that its a possibility. For myself i just dont think they were capable of doing it.
The filing thing...the only thing that tells me is that Trista decided that she wanted Ayla back right then. After two months, it was suddenly a priority to her. But that filing, well, that was going to take awhile. She had to fill out a fee waiver to see if the State would pick up the tab, then there was a whole bunch of stuff about Justin being served with notice of the filing (and she's said she didn't want him to know), and who knows how long it would be before it actually made it to court...maybe she decided that it wasn't such a great idea to wait for the wheels of justice to turn after all.
ReplyDeleteGood morning all!
DeleteI think Trista realized that the courts wouldn't award her Parental Rights and Responsibilities. She was fresh out of rehab. She was living in a motel with her young son. She was unemployed. She had past dealings with DHHS. She had no family support. Her fiancé was doing serious time for arson.
The courts would take all the above into consideration.
Morning Kitty!
DeleteYou bet they'd take all of that into consideration. Makes me wonder why she would go to file in the first place if she realized all of that, though.
The timing of it all is killing me. 2 months after rehab. Over a month after the broken arm. About a week before Christmas.
Have we ever heard anything at all about Trista's plans with Ayla for Christmas? If Justin had turned Trista down for a Christmas visit, I'm sure we would've heard.
I think Trista filed because Justin told her he was going to file.
DeleteI'm sure we would have heard if Justin turned Trista down for a Thanksgiving visit. Or taking Ayla trick-or-treating on Halloween. I believe Ayla was a ladybug...
Yes, I love the pictures from that Halloween. So cute. I find it hard to believe that a child they allegedly disliked and abused would have been dressed up do cute and be having such a smile on her face.
DeleteThe information about Jessica being away until early January, I got from a topix thread that Jessica commented on. It showed her location as New York in early January. I believe January 1st is the date. I'll look for the link.
I'm sure we would have heard if Justin turned Trista down for a Thanksgiving visit. Or taking Ayla trick-or-treating on Halloween. I believe Ayla was a ladybug...
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Yep. Thanksgiving was 3 days after the last doctor visit, yet we hear nothing about it. Trista was out of rehab on Halloween, but didn't visit Ayla until 3 days later.
We know Phoebe had Christmas gifts purchased for Ayla, and it's been said that Justin was Christmas shopping on Dec. 16th. Have we heard anything like that from the maternal side?
I think Trista realized that the courts wouldn't award her Parental Rights and Responsibilities. She was fresh out of rehab. She was living in a motel with her young son. She was unemployed. She had past dealings with DHHS. She had no family support. Her fiancé was doing serious time for arson
DeleteTo be honest I dont think thats the way she thought at all - They dont think like normal people and they dont really see what they do as wrong.
You need to understand the makeup of them to know - they dont realize the way they live is wrong. They dont think that way. I doubt she thinks she did anything wrong and everything right! She loved her daughter - she went to rehab - someone stole her daughter.
They live the only way they know and have been taught. You and I see it as wrong but I dont think she does. Just saying.
Judy, have I told you lately that I love you? :-)
DeleteI agree so much with what you've said. We are dealing with people with a whole different concept of normal and right and wrong than the rest of us. All the things that "we" would think and do don't really apply.
Good Afternoon All
DeleteJudy I agree with your comment @ 11:11,
Given all the circumstances surrounding the time that Ayla disappeared, the mindset of Trista and Jessica, along with substance abuse, makes them very likely suspects in taking Ayla.
However, I agree, I don't think they'd be capable of hiding their deed, or Ayla for 2 years.
I'm also sure that LE has thoroughly investigated them.
That said, my mind is open to one or both of them knowing something about Ayla's disappearance.
A1 thank you for sharing that ! We will never be 100% sure until they find her - so anything goes - we can only try and make deductions based on what we know or feel or think at this point. And whatever common sense stuff we can throw in.
DeleteI myself would be very suprised if they knew anything. But it will always be out there on the table until its resolved.
Awwww your too sweet A2 :-)
ReplyDelete(eyeballing you suspicously) lol
Relax, Judy. Don't pay any attention at all to the seam ripper in my pocket. I'm fixing a Halloween costume. Yeah, that's it...I'm fixing a costume...
DeleteThat's it, I'm hiding the bean bag.....
DeleteOaklandrez
I'm still in it!!! You'll have to wait till my bedtime lol
Delete(yanks beanbag out from under Judy and runs away laughing hysterically)
DeleteOaklandrez
(High fives Oak on the way out the door)
Delete(trips oak, grabs the bean bag and fends Judy off with a booger)
DeleteOkay, I can see I need to bring some more bean bags. What are your favorite colors? (Forget red, that ones mine!!!)
DeleteGRP
I want a green one....
DeleteLOL - OAK that wasnt very nice! Popcorn just went all over the floor thank you very much!
DeleteHAHAHAHAH Soup I am not going near that booger with a ten foot pole! YUCK!
Rough crowd in here
Well, Judy, you don't share very well....you plant your behind in that bean bag way too long and the natives get restless....
Deletedon't worry about the popcorn everywhere, my dog will take care of it...he's a great substitute vacuum
And I used to like tomato soup until the tripping incident....so glad GRP is gonna make sure we each have our own bean bags....
Oaklandrez
I don't comment a whole lot, I'm not really good with words and you all put what I'm thinking so eloquently that I don't feel the need to comment. That being said, you all make my day. You are hilarious and keep me smiling. Thanks for the little bit of levity in such a horrible situation. Hope you all have a fantastic day.
Delete(hangs head in shame and offers oak half of the bean bag) Halloween makes me naughty...
DeleteThank you tomato...let's sew this bean bag back together and go have some popcorn.....I understand the naughty coming out on halloween....I've done a few naughty things back in the day...lol
DeleteAnon from Me....I'm glad we can make your day....it helps to relieve lots of stress to throw a lil comic relief in there...I know there are days when reading here causes me some serious stress, but then reading some of these side bar conversations make me giggle (sometimes for hours after) and I feel refreshed and can have another go at the conversation with fresh perspective
Oaklandrez
LOL
ReplyDeleteI cant help it - its second nature here to be suspicous of anything and everything! lol
Okay folks. You'll need to scroll about 3/4 down on the link to find this little gem:
ReplyDeleteBURNETT: Do you feel he is a good father?
JESSICA REYNOLDS: Any time they talked was when -- I can't say yes or no to that question. I have never seen him interact with my niece. I personally have only met Justin twice. One time I was handing Ayla over to Justin for his visit and the next time I saw him, he was removing Ayla from my home in October.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/20/ebo.01.html
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Wait a minute, Jessica. According to Terrilyn, you told the police officer that Justin was abusive and he'd "beaten the child in the past."
What about Ayla's reaction upon seeing her father? Didn't she break out crying and attempt to flee the kitchen? Wasn't she kicking and screaming? I would call that an interaction you witnessed. A traumatic one at that.
What about Ayla's broken arm and the doctor's report that it was an uncommon break in a 19-month-old child?
The bruises?
The pulled leg muscle?
And you can't answer yes or no whether you feel Justin is a good father?
Hink.
DeleteWhy was Jessica handing Ayla over for a visit ? Where was trista ?
DeleteAre Trista and Jessica half sisters ? Different fathers ? Just thought I had seen some where in the family history that Jessicas father lived in New York.
Wow Kitty that is a good find.
DeleteElaine the only question I can answer for you is they both have different fathers
Elaine, good question...why would Jessica be handing Ayla over for a visit? Also, didn't they say Justin would only come around when Trista's family wasn't there?
DeleteJudy...I agree with your assessment. Jessica is a liar.
DeleteDo you know whatever became of Trista's stepsister, Whitney Raynor? Whitney was the initial spokesperson for the Reynolds family in those early days.
Then poof...never heard from again.
Wasn't she in the video of the courthouse showdown between Trista and Phoebe? I thought it looked like her.
DeleteTy Judy
DeleteThanks, mckeekitty! I’m not sure I ever saw that interview.
DeleteNow, we have the story by Terrilyn Simpson: (my comments are in parentheses.)
“Jessica, according to DHHS records, after being assessed by a DHHS supervisor (who was not Karen Small), was determined by DHHS as “appropriate to care for Trista’s children.” The report described Jessica as a “big sister to Trista” who “wants the best” for Trista and her children.”
(Didn’t Jessica have her three (?) children taken away from her by DHHS?)
When Justin went with LE to get Ayla from Jessica: “The aunt objected, describing Dipietro as abusive and saying he’d “beaten the child in the past.” She said she wouldn’t give Ayla up willingly — that Ayla was “terrified of him,” according to the written report.”
(Then we have the transcript, from mckeekitty, where Jessica says)
“I have never seen him interact with my niece. I personally have only met Justin twice.”
These are the things that make me wonder, what's going on here?
GRP
As to the "original timeline" concerning the pulled leg muscle incident: Justin returned Ayla to Trista and later that evening Becca noticed Ayla walking funny. Trista then called the doctor’s office and was told to wait a week, if it wasn’t better then call them back.
DeleteOne of the two (Jessica or Trista) once said Justin only had Ayla for the afternoon. He never kept Ayla overnight, as we are now being told of with the leg injury.
And, Terrilyn states, "Although under Maine law both parents would have had equal parental rights, absent any formal custody agreement, Ayla had always lived with Trista. DHHS records indicate she’d spent only a few hours at a time with Justin – never an overnight.", but she follows that comment with, "And even more puzzling..."
Why is this confusion necessary? Why didn't anyone remember these details over a year and a half ago? How do they "now" remember it so clearly, and the story is different?
WTH!
GRP
Kitty - I never heard of her. I'll have to ask Jeff - I'll get back to you if he answers me lol
ReplyDeleteKitty - Whitney still lives with her dad Ronnie SR.. was never a “spokesperson”
DeleteAnyone want some trick-or-treat candy? It's raining here and there's not a kid in sight and I've got 180 full-size candy bars :-(
ReplyDeleteSuch a bummer.
Is it chocolate! :) (We have flash flooding warnings here.)
DeleteGRP
I like chocolate...throw some over here... :) I'll go pop some popcorn...who's got the scary movie???
DeleteIt IS chocolate! Help yourself!
DeleteI ended up with one adorable little boy dressed as Wreck-It Ralph. I crammed his little plastic pumpkin bucket full :-)
We usually get about 150 kids, so this was a huge letdown.
I love popcorn, Oak, but don't give me any of that microwave or air-popped garbage. I worked at a theater back in high school, so I'm a bit of a popcorn snob. It's got to be kettle cooked or I'm out :-)
I make popcorn the old fashioned way and with real butter!!!! No worries with that microwave crap...
DeleteWe never get trick o treaters, bonus for me, I get the candy all to myself!!!
Oaklandrez
There are those who think that Ayla just vanished in the wind, the very same people whose opinions that the guilt lies with Justin vaporized into thin air, just like Ayla. They profess to be for justice and the law, but curiously bolt from reason when MSP, the very people they claim to put on a pedestal, has clearly stated that the three in that house aren't telling all they know.
ReplyDeleteHappy Halloween!
I'm looking at "The Time" at U4A (but, of course updates are not noted anymore!).
ReplyDeleteRead the comments, it's too much to state here. Here are two of them. (I never realized Ayla had an appt. on the 8th of December, I thought that was the last day Trista saw Ayla/or spoke with her?)
"Answers For Ayla March 23, 2012 5:39 AM
Kit; You are correct, It was the 12th and thank you for pointing that out to us.. but to answer the rest of your question: The Dec 8th follow up visit was moved up to Dec 16th by the receptionist (assuming doctor availabilty). Justin missed that appointment
And Emerald we will be getting the ER records to post in the timeline."
"Kit March 23, 2012 10:23 PM
Thank you for taking the time to reply. This is driving me crazy. I don't know why I'm so stuck on it. Please don't answer if you don't want to, as I don't want to put you in a weird position - but, do you, personally, think that is strange? That a 10 day follow up, was put off, by the dr office and okayed by the dr to wait 25 days? I can't comprehend why the dr would approve that?"
Kit, you're not alone!
GRP
Sorry, it's getting late!
DeleteMeant to say, "I'm looking at "The TimeLine"...
GRP
Morning, GRP!
DeleteI'm so disgusted with the "timeline" and all of the revisions, corrections, and clarifications.
I need coffee and a few deep breaths. I feel an epic rant coming on.
A2 - Happy Friday!
DeleteMaybe someone can do a revised timeline of the revised corrected timeline ?
Happy Friday, Judy!
DeleteThat's a great idea, but with the number of revisions and clarifications, how would we ever know what, if anything, is true? Call me crazy, but I always thought the truth never changes :-)
BTW, Judy...that Whitney Raynor as family spokesperson came from this source:
Delete"After moving in with her father, the toddler suffered a broken arm, said Raynor, who serves as spokeswoman for the Portland family, which has sought to regain custody of the girl. "
http://www.wmur.com/Search-For-Missing-Maine-Toddler-Enters-4th-Day/-/9858568/11837570/-/fc5lcvz/-/index.html
Nice catch, GRP!
Delete"Please don't answer if you don't want to, as I don't want to put you in a weird position - but, do you, personally, think that is strange? That a 10 day follow up, was put off, by the dr office and okayed by the dr to wait 25 days? I can't comprehend why the dr would approve that?"
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So, Kit doesn't want to put Jeff in a "weird position"?
I think Kit's BS spiked.
Ohhhh thanks for that A2 - Jeffs take on it is Trista is the only spokesperson for Ayla.
ReplyDeleteI guess whoever is speaking to them at the moment they call "a spokesperson?
I don't know where they get it from. You may be right. I've seen Jeff called "spokesperson" many times.
DeleteIs the epic rant still coming ? lol I always feel better when its not me.
ReplyDeleteLOL Judy...I think I'm safe as long as I don't read anything else about how abused or unhappy Ayla was with Justin.
DeleteOk I'll stop holding my breath!!
ReplyDeleteYa that crap bothers me too - She didnt really know Justin - As to her reaction to seeing him when they picked her up in Lewiston that is no shocker - kids do that when you leave them at day care for the day. I've seen em lay on the floor and kick the crap out of it and scream while their doing it.
Well Judy, I'll give you a mini-rant so you'll know where I'm coming from LOL
DeleteLet's say I believe everything they have said. Here's what I'm left with:
Trista was sleeping with Justin.
Justin beat Ayla on a visit and returned her with bruises.
Trista continued to sleep with Justin.
Justin hurt Ayla causing her to walk funny.
And Trista continued to sleep with Justin.
Trista got drunk and got in a fight with Jessica and DHHS got involved with Trista AGAIN.
Trista heads off to rehab, leaving Ayla with Jessica.
Justin comes to snatch Ayla away, with the backing of LE and DHHS, and Ayla has a meltdown because she's terrified of Justin.
At the Team Meeting, Trista agrees to let Justin, the abusive man that she's sleeping with and her daughter is terrified of, keep Ayla until rehab is over.
Justin doesn't return Ayla, and DHHS says it's a civil matter.
Trista agrees to let Justin keep Ayla.
Ayla's arm is broken.
Trista does nothing.
The doctor says the break is suspicious and Trista hears this with her own two ears.
Trista does nothing.
Trista says in her few visits with Ayla, she was dirty and upset.
Trista does nothing.
Justin says he's going to file for custody, and all of the sudden, Trista is concerned.
Trista files for custody.
Ayla comes up missing.
Trista says it's DHHS' fault.
WTF
That's their story.
DeleteNot a good story.
DeleteNo, it's not a good story.
DeleteWorse, I don't think they realize this is the story they have put fourth.
Good morning all!
ReplyDeleteAh yes...that almighty timeline. You know, the one that fails to mention that Trista was on route to Machiasport on the morning her daughter was reported missing.
LOL thanks A2 - That puts it pretty plain and simple ! So now that she is missing everything is being scrutinzed in hindsight. Or is everything being blown up to suit the moment? All of the above.
ReplyDeleteKitty what about Machiasport - what do you think really happened?
Honestly, Judy...I don't know. But the story was squelched for over four months.
DeleteWhy?
This is the mother of a missing child who was in a custody dispute with the child's father. Jeff says that Justin knew about the December 17 trip, and yet LE learns about the trip via Ron, Sr. and Jessica.
Ayla is missing, and there is full scale search underway in Waterville. Yet Ron tells Robert to keep driving and to let Trista sleep until further notice.
Trista was in a vehicle and inaccessible during those initial critical hours.
She filed court papers less than 48 hours earlier, and Ayla goes missing.
I find the story hinky.
Kitty - I hate it when something gnaws at you and you cant get it out of your head. It sux! But with everything said I never discount a hair across my ass! You never know! There is no scenerio that could not have happened. We may be able to discount some things if we knew what LE knew.
DeleteSorry for all the responses - I'm at work and sometimes i have to punch the send button before I'm done yapping.
I get why Trista & family didn't talk about the Machiasport trip until 4 months later. by then the public knew all about RaySr.
DeleteWhat I have an issue with is what took place at the police station. Ayla had only been missing a few hours, at the time they make their way to Waterville. Robert is driving the car that Trista is in, on a trip to Machiasport. He is only questioned a few minuets? His car should have been searched, and I don't understand why it wasn't.
A1 thats a good point. Since Trista was with him and in an abduction they always look to the parents first - why wasnt a search done. That being said - how do we know his car wasnt searched? Who said he was only questioned a few minutes? Is that even true?
DeleteFortier said the three weren't there for long -- in less than two hours they were sent home to southern Maine. Fortier was interviewed for a few minutes about their drive toward Machiasport, but that was it, he said.
Deletehttp://www.kjonline.com/news/closer-look-at-cases-earliest-moments_2012-12-17.html?pagenum=full
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Judy...this is a good article. If you haven't seen it, you should read it.
Thanks McKee
DeleteI'm sure that Robert was interviewed for that article.
He says that he was interviewed for just a few minutes, and **that was it**.
Had his car been searched I think he would have mentioned it.
Read it - thanks again! He said they were there less than 2 hours - that isnt a short amount of time. I agree A1 you would think it is something he would have mentioned. But they could have searched the car in that amount of time right? I agree though I dont think they did. it only adds to the frustration!
DeleteCome on I know you have a hair across your ass regarding that Trip but I cant remember if you ever told me why ? heheheeeeeee :-)
ReplyDeleteOoops! Ok let me see...I am just going to throw this out there.. i am thinking so watch out .. Do you think is possible it was squelched because they didnt want the public to know the father of her baby was a murderer?
ReplyDeleteAnd I do agree that it is WEIRD Ron Sr told them to keep on driving! Really? Her baby is missing - wake her up and get her ass to Waterville !
DeleteI dont think Robert took her to Justins to take Ayla. No good reason.
ReplyDeleteI think he picked her and Ray up to go for a visit to see his son and father of Ray - early (6ish) as it was a 4 hour ride to the prison - she fell asleep. All that seems normal to me. Nothing else does. Just a guess that they didnt want that in the public eye along with everything else that was going on about her and the rehab etc etc.
Judy...Raymond didn't murder anyone. He torched an apartment building and the occupants COULD have died. Raymond said he was high from snorting pills with his mother before he did it.
DeleteIt was a high profile arson case. Trista named her baby Raymond Fortier, Jr. although she was only a few months pregnant when Ray was convicted and sent to prison. When Ayla went missing, these details surfaced. It was widely reported that Trista's fiancé, Raymond Fortier, was incarcerated.
So I don't think shame played into it.
At the time, Reynolds was in an established family with her fiancé, Raymond Fortier. Later that summer, however, Fortier was incarcerated at Downeast Correctional Facility in Machiasport for arson.
Deletehttp://www.pressherald.com/aylas-2nd-birthdayspurs-many-memories_2012-03-31.html?pagenum=full
Morning, Kitty :-)
DeleteI find the Machiasport thing hinky, too. They were awfully close to Waterville, and I think they wanted that minimized. I think that's why Trista's visit with Ayla IN Waterville on November 3rd has also been minimized. I think they didn't want the questions surrounding Trista not only being near the area, but having knowledge of the layout of the house.
GEzzzz I read that here somewhere!! OMG Well thank you for setting me straight!
ReplyDeleteWho snorts pills with their mother? Was Robert with the mother or divorced?
How can this many familys be this screwed up!
Who chooses an arsonist who snorts pills with his mother to be the father of their children?
DeleteScrewed up beyond belief.
Judy...for you:
Deletehttp://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100902/GJCOMMUNITY04/709029897/-1/FOSnews010103
Ok, Ray set the fire on Jan. 6, 2009, and was caught in Florida in March of the same year. Reports are Ray set the fire because he was "mad at his girlfriend". Ray also picked out Ayla's name and was present at her birth, although he did not give her his last name, I suspect he thought Ayla was his. If Ayla was full term, and she appeared to be, she would have been conceived in late June/early July of 2009.
DeleteDoes anyone know how long Ray was in jail after he was picked up in FL? I assume he made bail to be at Ayla's birth, but how long did he have to wait? Since he fled capture, I would imagine bail was set pretty high.
Did Ray meet Trista between March 2009 and April 2010, or was she the girlfriend he was mad at?
OMG - And isnt the father a fire fighter? OMG that is so f up! What is wrong with people???
ReplyDeleteThank you for digging that up for me Kitty
What kind of pills to you snort ? I never heard of that before
Junkies crush and snort prescription pills for a faster, more intense high. Oxycodone comes to mind.
DeleteAnother one for you Judy:
Deletehttp://www.journaltribune.com/articles/2009/09/02/news/doc4a9d346675933055329021.txt
Thanks again Kitty - I wonder why they did it? They must have fought with someone in that apt or something. God - she looks like someone you dont want to mess with. What kind of mother burns a building down with her son? Holy shit.
ReplyDeleteWhat I find so strange is that Janice still hasn't gone to trial after all these years.
DeleteAs far as I know, Robert and Janice parted ways long ago...
And yeah...the irony that Robert is a lieutenant with the Alfred Fire Department blows my mind.
That is very strange. Wonder if she is still alive?
ReplyDeleteSorry for driving you crazy today!
ReplyDeleteGoing to take some of A2's chocolate and chop em up and sniff em for a more intense high
If you are directing your comment to me, Judy, you could not be more wrong.
DeleteYOU don't drive me crazy. Your brother? Well, that's another story! :)
It is quite possible that Robert's car was searched and cleared at the WPD. However, I feel that detail would have been reported. Robert doesn't mention it.
There are conflicting reports when Trista became aware that Ayla went missing. The Kennebec Journal article suggests it was around 10 AM which sounds reasonable to me. But "certain" Yahoo news contributors suggest it was some 90 to 120 minutes later.
So...just when did Trista and Robert arrive at the WPD?
Ahh, ..I don't know Judy,.., think about that tantalizing flavor your taste buds would miss. I would advise you to instead, just take small bites and let it slowly melt in your month. Savor it for as long as possible.
DeleteLOL geeez A1 now i really do want some chocolate!
DeleteMcKee,
DeleteI'm going with the KJ article. I think in that article is it Robert who says what time he answered the phone. I trust his memory more than I do that of what Trista relayed to Jeff. who in turn relayed to others.
But why would both CBG and CH both report the delays in making contact with Trista?
DeleteSomeone fed them that information...
Get where I'm going, A1? ;)
Ok good thanks!
ReplyDeleteAs for Jeff well he drives me crazy too - but in a different way I'm sure.
Where is Derek's "cabin"? Is it anywhere near China Lake?
ReplyDeleteAlso, does anyone remember where Justin's uncle's rock quarry is located?
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